[SailfishDevel] Jolla Harbour and Jolla Store

Wed Nov 6 17:33:01 UTC 2013

And somehow Debian and Ubuntu and ... do well it with real depends...

--
Marcin

2013/11/6 Marcin M. <marmistrzmar at gmail.com>

> If everything handled correctly (assuming no 3rd party lib updates) what
> bad can happen?
>
> --
> Marcin
>
>
> 2013/11/6 Martin Grimme <martin.grimme at gmail.com>
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> 2013/11/6, 郭云鹤 <guoyunhebrave at gmail.com>:
>> > i think every app should be independent. apps' dependence caused many
>> > problems.
>>
>> I think the same. While having deps and libraries and everything is
>> cool from a Linuxer's point of view, it will give a bad user
>> experience and just cry for breaking things when updating the OS or
>> other apps.
>>
>> You can either try to get the library into Nemo, or include it in your
>> package or link to it statically. Those few kbytes wasted by this
>> approach should be no real problem, but worth it, if it improves the
>> user's experience and happiness with Sailfish devices.
>>
>> I remember people crying they could not update their N900 because of
>> some library dependencies. Don't let this happen again.
>> 1337 Linux h4x0rz in need of obscure libs and stuff will always find a
>> workaround to fulfill their needs, e.g. with 3rd party repositories.
>> :)
>>
>> Keep in mind that Sailfish wants to be attractive to regular users and
>> user experience should be highly valued.
>>
>>
>> My 2 cents,
>> Martin
>>
>>
>> >
>> > 郭云鹤(Guo Yunhe)
>> > http://guoyunhe.me/
>> > 在 2013-11-7 上午12:13，"Marcin M." <marmistrzmar at gmail.com>写道：
>> >
>> >> It's not a pity when it comes to libraries. It is when you create a
>> >> modular app ;) - divided into packages. But if there was an
>> >> in-app-purchase
>> >> system, it wouldn't be so bad :)
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Marcin
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> 2013/11/6 Mohammed Hassan <mohammed.hassan at jollamobile.com>
>> >>
>> >>> I don't see it as a pity. I see it as an opportunity for everyone
>> >>> to push their libraries and stuff to mer/nemo/sailfish.
>> >>>
>> >>> An advantage of SailfishOS is that everyone can contribute and have
>> >>> their
>> >>> own applications, libraries and tools there.
>> >>>
>> >>> Just my 0.02
>> >>>
>> >>> Cheers,
>> >>>
>> >>> On Wed, Nov 06, 2013 at 05:06:58PM +0100, Marcin M. wrote:
>> >>> >  Hi,
>> >>> >  Thanks! Well, it's a pity ;(
>> >>> >  Regards,
>> >>> >
>> >>> >  --
>> >>> >  Marcin
>> >>> >  2013/11/6 Jonni Rainisto <[1]jonni.rainisto at jolla.com>
>> >>> >
>> >>> >  Hi,
>> >>> >  AFAIK. Currently you can only depend on mer/nemomobile packages,
>> you
>> >>> >  cannot depend on store packages.
>> >>> >  re, Jonni
>> >>> >  __________________________________________________________________
>> >>> >
>> >>> >  From: [2]devel-bounces at lists.sailfishos.org
>> >>> >  [[3]devel-bounces at lists.sailfishos.org] on behalf of Marcin M.
>> >>> >  [[4]marmistrzmar at gmail.com]
>> >>> >  Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2013 5:34 PM
>> >>> >  To: Sailfish OS Developers
>> >>> >  Subject: Re: [SailfishDevel] Jolla Harbour and Jolla Store
>> >>> >  And what about in-app-store depends? (Free app, paid databases,
>> >>> >  databases depend on the free app)
>> >>> >  --
>> >>> >  Marcin
>> >>> >  2013/11/6 Andrey Kozhevnikov <[5]coderusinbox at gmail.com>
>> >>> >
>> >>> >  Good point, thanks!
>> >>> >
>> >>> >  On 06.11.2013 18:30, Jonni Rainisto wrote:
>> >>> >
>> >>> >  And if some good library is missing, and you are willing to
>> maintain
>> >>> >  the library, feel free trying to get it added to Mer/Nemomobile
>> side
>> >>> >  (after that you can depend against it).
>> >>> >  re, Jonni
>> >>> >  ________________________________________
>> >>> >  From: [6]devel-bounces at lists.sailfishos.org
>> >>> >  [[7]devel-bounces at lists.sailfishos.org] on behalf of Jonni
>> Rainisto
>> >>> >  [[8]jonni.rainisto at jolla.com]
>> >>> >  Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2013 2:27 PM
>> >>> >  To: Sailfish OS Developers
>> >>> >  Subject: Re: [SailfishDevel] Jolla Harbour and Jolla Store
>> >>> >  HI,
>> >>> >  AFAIK, uploading libraries to store is forbidden, you can only
>> >>> >  depend on common mer/nemomobile libraries in .spec/rpm Requires
>> >>> >  field.
>> >>> >  re, Jonni
>> >>> >  ________________________________________
>> >>> >  From: [9]devel-bounces at lists.sailfishos.org
>> >>> >  [[10]devel-bounces at lists.sailfishos.org] on behalf of Andrey
>> >>> >  Kozhevnikov [[11]coderusinbox at gmail.com]
>> >>> >  Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2013 1:40 PM
>> >>> >  To: [12]devel at lists.sailfishos.org
>> >>> >  Subject: Re: [SailfishDevel] Jolla Harbour and Jolla Store
>> >>> >  Please more information about Harbour:
>> >>> >  - it can accept only single files, means i cant upload some
>> >>> >  libraries,
>> >>> >  required as depends for my appliction?
>> >>> >  - does it acts as repository?
>> >>> >  On 06.11.2013 17:06, Karl Granström wrote:
>> >>> >
>> >>> >  Ahoy all,
>> >>> >  Today we're launching Jolla Harbour <[13]harbour.jolla.com>, the
>> >>> >  portal for submitting applications to the Jolla Store.
>> >>> >  You can submit and manage your applications. Consumers will be able
>> >>> >  to install them directly from their Jolla phones.
>> >>> >  Here are some details about Jolla Harbour:
>> >>> >  Joining and logging into Jolla Harbour:
>> >>> >  Joining is free! You can create a Jolla account from the Jolla
>> >>> >  Harbour landing page ([14]harbour.jolla.com) or if you have
>> >>> >  pre-ordered your Jolla phone, you have everything you need to get
>> >>> >  started. To manage your account details, please visit
>> >>> >  [15]account.jolla.com.
>> >>> >  Support for Sailfish and Android™ applications:
>> >>> >  You can submit both Sailfish and Android™ applications to Jolla
>> >>> >  Harbour. The submission process is the same.
>> >>> >  Start with free applications:
>> >>> >  At launch, the Jolla Harbour and Jolla Store will support only free
>> >>> >  applications. We are working hard to enable payment solutions and
>> we
>> >>> >  will keep you posted about these capabilities as they develop.
>> >>> >  Binary package naming:
>> >>> >  You will receive naming guidelines when you upload the binary
>> >>> >  package to Jolla Harbour. You can also find guidelines on
>> versioning
>> >>> >  at [16]http://semver.org.
>> >>> >  Preparing your metadata:
>> >>> >  Jolla Harbour needs to know a few things about your app:
>> >>> >  - An app icon for the Store (86x86px, png) (Current SDK supports
>> >>> >  90x90px images; more details to follow soon)
>> >>> >  - 1-3 screenshots (540x960px, png or jpg)
>> >>> >  - An optional Cover image for your Store page (516x252px, png or
>> >>> >  jpg)
>> >>> >  Submission process:
>> >>> >  To submit your application to Jolla Harbour, fill in the metadata
>> >>> >  for it and upload the binary and required images. After you have
>> >>> >  submitted your app, Jolla will start Quality Assurance testing.
>> >>> >  Quality Assurance testing:
>> >>> >  Jolla will perform QA testing on your applications on real Jolla
>> >>> >  devices. We will get back to you with feedback on your app within a
>> >>> >  few days. You will be notified on the QA results via the email
>> >>> >  address you have registered to your Jolla account.
>> >>> >  If you encounter any issues, please contact us by email,
>> >>> >  [17]developer-care at jolla.com, or report them to the Sailfish
>> >>> >  developers mailing list at devel at [18]lists.sailfishos.org.
>> >>> >  Happy hacking!
>> >>> >  The Jolla Store Team
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>> >>> > References
>> >>> >
>> >>> >  1. mailto:jonni.rainisto at jolla.com
>> >>> >  2. mailto:devel-bounces at lists.sailfishos.org
>> >>> >  3. mailto:devel-bounces at lists.sailfishos.org
>> >>> >  4. mailto:marmistrzmar at gmail.com
>> >>> >  5. mailto:coderusinbox at gmail.com
>> >>> >  6. mailto:devel-bounces at lists.sailfishos.org
>> >>> >  7. mailto:devel-bounces at lists.sailfishos.org
>> >>> >  8. mailto:jonni.rainisto at jolla.com
>> >>> >  9. mailto:devel-bounces at lists.sailfishos.org
>> >>> >  10. mailto:devel-bounces at lists.sailfishos.org
>> >>> >  11. mailto:coderusinbox at gmail.com
>> >>> >  12. mailto:devel at lists.sailfishos.org
>> >>> >  13. http://harbour.jolla.com/
>> >>> >  14. http://harbour.jolla.com/
>> >>> >  15. http://account.jolla.com/
>> >>> >  16. http://semver.org/
>> >>> >  17. mailto:developer-care at jolla.com
>> >>> >  18. http://lists.sailfishos.org/
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