<div dir="ltr">And somehow Debian and Ubuntu and ... do well it with real depends...<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div>--</div>Marcin<br></div>
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/11/6 Marcin M. <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:marmistrzmar@gmail.com" target="_blank">marmistrzmar@gmail.com</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra">If everything handled correctly (assuming no 3rd party lib updates) what bad can happen?<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div>
--</div>
Marcin<br></div><div><div class="h5">
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/11/6 Martin Grimme <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:martin.grimme@gmail.com" target="_blank">martin.grimme@gmail.com</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Hi,<br>
<br>
2013/11/6, 郭云鹤 <<a href="mailto:guoyunhebrave@gmail.com" target="_blank">guoyunhebrave@gmail.com</a>>:<br>
<div>> i think every app should be independent. apps' dependence caused many<br>
> problems.<br>
<br>
</div>I think the same. While having deps and libraries and everything is<br>
cool from a Linuxer's point of view, it will give a bad user<br>
experience and just cry for breaking things when updating the OS or<br>
other apps.<br>
<br>
You can either try to get the library into Nemo, or include it in your<br>
package or link to it statically. Those few kbytes wasted by this<br>
approach should be no real problem, but worth it, if it improves the<br>
user's experience and happiness with Sailfish devices.<br>
<br>
I remember people crying they could not update their N900 because of<br>
some library dependencies. Don't let this happen again.<br>
1337 Linux h4x0rz in need of obscure libs and stuff will always find a<br>
workaround to fulfill their needs, e.g. with 3rd party repositories.<br>
:)<br>
<br>
Keep in mind that Sailfish wants to be attractive to regular users and<br>
user experience should be highly valued.<br>
<br>
<br>
My 2 cents,<br>
Martin<br>
<div><div><br>
<br>
><br>
> 郭云鹤(Guo Yunhe)<br>
> <a href="http://guoyunhe.me/" target="_blank">http://guoyunhe.me/</a><br>
> 在 2013-11-7 上午12:13，"Marcin M." <<a href="mailto:marmistrzmar@gmail.com" target="_blank">marmistrzmar@gmail.com</a>>写道：<br>
><br>
>> It's not a pity when it comes to libraries. It is when you create a<br>
>> modular app ;) - divided into packages. But if there was an<br>
>> in-app-purchase<br>
>> system, it wouldn't be so bad :)<br>
>><br>
>> --<br>
>> Marcin<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> 2013/11/6 Mohammed Hassan <<a href="mailto:mohammed.hassan@jollamobile.com" target="_blank">mohammed.hassan@jollamobile.com</a>><br>
>><br>
>>> I don't see it as a pity. I see it as an opportunity for everyone<br>
>>> to push their libraries and stuff to mer/nemo/sailfish.<br>
>>><br>
>>> An advantage of SailfishOS is that everyone can contribute and have<br>
>>> their<br>
>>> own applications, libraries and tools there.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Just my 0.02<br>
>>><br>
>>> Cheers,<br>
>>><br>
>>> On Wed, Nov 06, 2013 at 05:06:58PM +0100, Marcin M. wrote:<br>
>>> > Hi,<br>
>>> > Thanks! Well, it's a pity ;(<br>
>>> > Regards,<br>
>>> ><br>
>>> > --<br>
>>> > Marcin<br>
>>> > 2013/11/6 Jonni Rainisto <[1]<a href="mailto:jonni.rainisto@jolla.com" target="_blank">jonni.rainisto@jolla.com</a>><br>
>>> ><br>
>>> > Hi,<br>
>>> > AFAIK. Currently you can only depend on mer/nemomobile packages, you<br>
>>> > cannot depend on store packages.<br>
>>> > re, Jonni<br>
>>> > __________________________________________________________________<br>
>>> ><br>
>>> > From: [2]<a href="mailto:devel-bounces@lists.sailfishos.org" target="_blank">devel-bounces@lists.sailfishos.org</a><br>
>>> > [[3]<a href="mailto:devel-bounces@lists.sailfishos.org" target="_blank">devel-bounces@lists.sailfishos.org</a>] on behalf of Marcin M.<br>
>>> > [[4]<a href="mailto:marmistrzmar@gmail.com" target="_blank">marmistrzmar@gmail.com</a>]<br>
>>> > Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2013 5:34 PM<br>
>>> > To: Sailfish OS Developers<br>
>>> > Subject: Re: [SailfishDevel] Jolla Harbour and Jolla Store<br>
>>> > And what about in-app-store depends? (Free app, paid databases,<br>
>>> > databases depend on the free app)<br>
>>> > --<br>
>>> > Marcin<br>
>>> > 2013/11/6 Andrey Kozhevnikov <[5]<a href="mailto:coderusinbox@gmail.com" target="_blank">coderusinbox@gmail.com</a>><br>
>>> ><br>
>>> > Good point, thanks!<br>
>>> ><br>
>>> > On 06.11.2013 18:30, Jonni Rainisto wrote:<br>
>>> ><br>
>>> > And if some good library is missing, and you are willing to maintain<br>
>>> > the library, feel free trying to get it added to Mer/Nemomobile side<br>
>>> > (after that you can depend against it).<br>
>>> > re, Jonni<br>
>>> > ________________________________________<br>
>>> > From: [6]<a href="mailto:devel-bounces@lists.sailfishos.org" target="_blank">devel-bounces@lists.sailfishos.org</a><br>
>>> > [[7]<a href="mailto:devel-bounces@lists.sailfishos.org" target="_blank">devel-bounces@lists.sailfishos.org</a>] on behalf of Jonni Rainisto<br>
>>> > [[8]<a href="mailto:jonni.rainisto@jolla.com" target="_blank">jonni.rainisto@jolla.com</a>]<br>
>>> > Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2013 2:27 PM<br>
>>> > To: Sailfish OS Developers<br>
>>> > Subject: Re: [SailfishDevel] Jolla Harbour and Jolla Store<br>
>>> > HI,<br>
>>> > AFAIK, uploading libraries to store is forbidden, you can only<br>
>>> > depend on common mer/nemomobile libraries in .spec/rpm Requires<br>
>>> > field.<br>
>>> > re, Jonni<br>
>>> > ________________________________________<br>
>>> > From: [9]<a href="mailto:devel-bounces@lists.sailfishos.org" target="_blank">devel-bounces@lists.sailfishos.org</a><br>
>>> > [[10]<a href="mailto:devel-bounces@lists.sailfishos.org" target="_blank">devel-bounces@lists.sailfishos.org</a>] on behalf of Andrey<br>
>>> > Kozhevnikov [[11]<a href="mailto:coderusinbox@gmail.com" target="_blank">coderusinbox@gmail.com</a>]<br>
>>> > Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2013 1:40 PM<br>
>>> > To: [12]<a href="mailto:devel@lists.sailfishos.org" target="_blank">devel@lists.sailfishos.org</a><br>
>>> > Subject: Re: [SailfishDevel] Jolla Harbour and Jolla Store<br>
>>> > Please more information about Harbour:<br>
>>> > - it can accept only single files, means i cant upload some<br>
>>> > libraries,<br>
>>> > required as depends for my appliction?<br>
>>> > - does it acts as repository?<br>
>>> > On 06.11.2013 17:06, Karl Granström wrote:<br>
>>> ><br>
>>> > Ahoy all,<br>
>>> > Today we're launching Jolla Harbour <[13]<a href="http://harbour.jolla.com" target="_blank">harbour.jolla.com</a>>, the<br>
>>> > portal for submitting applications to the Jolla Store.<br>
>>> > You can submit and manage your applications. Consumers will be able<br>
>>> > to install them directly from their Jolla phones.<br>
>>> > Here are some details about Jolla Harbour:<br>
>>> > Joining and logging into Jolla Harbour:<br>
>>> > Joining is free! You can create a Jolla account from the Jolla<br>
>>> > Harbour landing page ([14]<a href="http://harbour.jolla.com" target="_blank">harbour.jolla.com</a>) or if you have<br>
>>> > pre-ordered your Jolla phone, you have everything you need to get<br>
>>> > started. To manage your account details, please visit<br>
>>> > [15]<a href="http://account.jolla.com" target="_blank">account.jolla.com</a>.<br>
>>> > Support for Sailfish and Android™ applications:<br>
>>> > You can submit both Sailfish and Android™ applications to Jolla<br>
>>> > Harbour. The submission process is the same.<br>
>>> > Start with free applications:<br>
>>> > At launch, the Jolla Harbour and Jolla Store will support only free<br>
>>> > applications. We are working hard to enable payment solutions and we<br>
>>> > will keep you posted about these capabilities as they develop.<br>
>>> > Binary package naming:<br>
>>> > You will receive naming guidelines when you upload the binary<br>
>>> > package to Jolla Harbour. You can also find guidelines on versioning<br>
>>> > at [16]<a href="http://semver.org" target="_blank">http://semver.org</a>.<br>
>>> > Preparing your metadata:<br>
>>> > Jolla Harbour needs to know a few things about your app:<br>
>>> > - An app icon for the Store (86x86px, png) (Current SDK supports<br>
>>> > 90x90px images; more details to follow soon)<br>
>>> > - 1-3 screenshots (540x960px, png or jpg)<br>
>>> > - An optional Cover image for your Store page (516x252px, png or<br>
>>> > jpg)<br>
>>> > Submission process:<br>
>>> > To submit your application to Jolla Harbour, fill in the metadata<br>
>>> > for it and upload the binary and required images. After you have<br>
>>> > submitted your app, Jolla will start Quality Assurance testing.<br>
>>> > Quality Assurance testing:<br>
>>> > Jolla will perform QA testing on your applications on real Jolla<br>
>>> > devices. We will get back to you with feedback on your app within a<br>
>>> > few days. You will be notified on the QA results via the email<br>
>>> > address you have registered to your Jolla account.<br>
>>> > If you encounter any issues, please contact us by email,<br>
>>> > [17]<a href="mailto:developer-care@jolla.com" target="_blank">developer-care@jolla.com</a>, or report them to the Sailfish<br>
>>> > developers mailing list at devel at [18]<a href="http://lists.sailfishos.org" target="_blank">lists.sailfishos.org</a>.<br>
>>> > Happy hacking!<br>
>>> > The Jolla Store Team<br>
>>> > _______________________________________________<br>
>>> > SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list<br>
>>> ><br>
>>> > _______________________________________________<br>
>>> > SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list<br>
>>> > _______________________________________________<br>
>>> > SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list<br>
>>> > _______________________________________________<br>
>>> > SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list<br>
>>> ><br>
>>> > _______________________________________________<br>
>>> > SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list<br>
>>> ><br>
>>> > _______________________________________________<br>
>>> > SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list<br>
>>> ><br>
>>> > References<br>
>>> ><br>
>>> > 1. mailto:<a href="mailto:jonni.rainisto@jolla.com" target="_blank">jonni.rainisto@jolla.com</a><br>
>>> > 2. mailto:<a href="mailto:devel-bounces@lists.sailfishos.org" target="_blank">devel-bounces@lists.sailfishos.org</a><br>
>>> > 3. mailto:<a href="mailto:devel-bounces@lists.sailfishos.org" target="_blank">devel-bounces@lists.sailfishos.org</a><br>
>>> > 4. mailto:<a href="mailto:marmistrzmar@gmail.com" target="_blank">marmistrzmar@gmail.com</a><br>
>>> > 5. mailto:<a href="mailto:coderusinbox@gmail.com" target="_blank">coderusinbox@gmail.com</a><br>
>>> > 6. mailto:<a href="mailto:devel-bounces@lists.sailfishos.org" target="_blank">devel-bounces@lists.sailfishos.org</a><br>
>>> > 7. mailto:<a href="mailto:devel-bounces@lists.sailfishos.org" target="_blank">devel-bounces@lists.sailfishos.org</a><br>
>>> > 8. mailto:<a href="mailto:jonni.rainisto@jolla.com" target="_blank">jonni.rainisto@jolla.com</a><br>
>>> > 9. mailto:<a href="mailto:devel-bounces@lists.sailfishos.org" target="_blank">devel-bounces@lists.sailfishos.org</a><br>
>>> > 10. mailto:<a href="mailto:devel-bounces@lists.sailfishos.org" target="_blank">devel-bounces@lists.sailfishos.org</a><br>
>>> > 11. mailto:<a href="mailto:coderusinbox@gmail.com" target="_blank">coderusinbox@gmail.com</a><br>
>>> > 12. mailto:<a href="mailto:devel@lists.sailfishos.org" target="_blank">devel@lists.sailfishos.org</a><br>
>>> > 13. <a href="http://harbour.jolla.com/" target="_blank">http://harbour.jolla.com/</a><br>
>>> > 14. <a href="http://harbour.jolla.com/" target="_blank">http://harbour.jolla.com/</a><br>
>>> > 15. <a href="http://account.jolla.com/" target="_blank">http://account.jolla.com/</a><br>
>>> > 16. <a href="http://semver.org/" target="_blank">http://semver.org/</a><br>
>>> > 17. mailto:<a href="mailto:developer-care@jolla.com" target="_blank">developer-care@jolla.com</a><br>
>>> > 18. <a href="http://lists.sailfishos.org/" target="_blank">http://lists.sailfishos.org/</a><br>
>>><br>
>>> > _______________________________________________<br>
>>> > SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list<br>
>>><br>
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