[SailfishDevel] New SailfishOS phone manufacturer

Bob Summerwill bob at summerwill.net
Tue Jun 9 15:35:22 UTC 2015


Thanks for the update, Aleksi, and good luck with that effort!  It would be
great to have such a layer available for all the various Linuxes.

Cheers,
Bob
On Jun 9, 2015 10:41 AM, "Aleksi Suomalainen" <suomalainen.aleksi at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I'm working at the porters team and this FOSS Android compatibility layer
> is somewhat a Holy Grail for us porters. Currently our idea is that we
> should somehow get Chromium runtime, essentially doing QtWebEngine from Qt
> 5.4 with nacl support to get this. This would lead to testing the ARC
> project from Google (which is unfortunately not fully open source). The
> person who is doing this (or at least gives it a shot) goes by the IRC nick
> nh1402 (couldn't do a whois while writing this, as he was offline).
>
> So the work going for this has been at least laid the foundation for the
> Android runtime to happen on probably both Jolla devices and potentially on
> ported devices.
>
> Aleksi
>
> On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 12:44 PM, Bob Summerwill <bob at summerwill.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Hey everyone!
>>
>> Dalvik is part of the AOSP (Android Open Source Project), so it is FOSS.
>>
>> Then at least 3 vendors that I am aware of have taken that and built a
>> commercial Android compatibility solution by re-using that code on top of
>> another OS.  These are commercial offerings (and proprietary) so somebody
>> has to buy and pay for the licenses.   That is what Jolla did for their
>> Sailfish handset, but this is not free software, so you won't get it for
>> BYOD efforts, and other handset manufacturers would need to do their own
>> deals.
>>
>> I have seen:
>>
>>
>> http://www.myriadgroup.com/products/device-solutions/mobile-software/alien-dalvik/
>> (is being used by Jolla)
>> http://www.openmobileww.com/ (is being used by Tizen, but also works on
>> FirefoxOS, webOS, Windows and Linux)
>> http://www.bluestacks.com/ (have their main success on PC, but also made
>> a micro console - http://techcrunch.com/2014/03/11/gamepop-review/)
>>
>> It should be possible for the community to build a FOSS product just like
>> this, if there were appetite for it.
>>
>> Of course, Dalvik is not even shipped with Android anymore.  That JITting
>> VM has been replaced with an AOT compilation technology called ART, which
>> pre-compiles binaries at install time.   I believe that ART is also part of
>> the AOSP project, so it should be possible to build something using that
>> too.
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Bob
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 4:15 AM, E.S. Rosenberg <
>> es.rosenberg+sailfishos.org at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I doubt there is any contract that says other companies can't get a
>>> license on dalvik...
>>>
>>> 2015-06-09 11:06 GMT+03:00 <schifano at polytech.unice.fr>:
>>>
>>>> Because as somebody told me in the Neo900 support" thread, Jolla has
>>>> currently only the licence to distribute Myriad Alien Dalvik with there
>>>> smartphones and not for all devices which can run Sailfish.
>>>>
>>>> > Hi,
>>>> >
>>>> > I don't see why dalvik would not be available. If the OS runs on the
>>>> > device, dalvik should be able to run too.
>>>> >
>>>> > Alex.
>>>> >
>>>> > On Mon, Jun 8, 2015 at 3:09 PM, <schifano at polytech.unice.fr> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> Well it seems Jolla will not make a new device soon. So in case
>>>> somebody
>>>> >> has an answer to my previous question, I'm still listening ;).
>>>> >>
>>>> >> > TOH is only Jolla feature, not 3rd party developers of course.
>>>> Talk to
>>>> >> > these companies and ask them to implement TOH in their sailfishos
>>>> >> devices
>>>> >> > :)
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > 03.06.2015 23:02, Martin Kolman пишет:
>>>> >> >> Wed, 3 Jun 2015 13:46:02 +0200 schifano at polytech.unice.fr:
>>>> >> >>> Hi,
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> I have heard there will be new official Sailfish phone
>>>> >> manifacturers.
>>>> >> >>> On
>>>> >> >>> this smartphones will the Android apps be supported ? If yes,
>>>> does
>>>> >> it
>>>> >> >>> mean
>>>> >> >>> that all the smartphones with Sailfish will have Alien Dalvik
>>>> >> >>> available ?
>>>> >> >> Also what about the ToH concept ? It would be a shame to loose it
>>>> on
>>>> >> new
>>>> >> >> devices just when the first ToH keyboards start shipping...
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> (BTW, as most current ToHs use 3D printed components it does not
>>>> >> >> necessarily
>>>> >> >> need to be mechanically compatible, just electrically - and even
>>>> that
>>>> >> >> is not
>>>> >> >> that important. In short - any interface that makes it possible to
>>>> >> >> mechanically
>>>> >> >> attach something to the back of the device + power & data &
>>>> interrupt
>>>> >> >> channel
>>>> >> >> would do.)
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> Best Wishes
>>>> >> >> Martin
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> Best Regards,
>>>> >> >>> Alexandre Schifano
>>>> >> >>>
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