[SailfishDevel] New SailfishOS phone manufacturer

Tue Jun 9 14:41:38 UTC 2015

Hello,

I'm working at the porters team and this FOSS Android compatibility layer
is somewhat a Holy Grail for us porters. Currently our idea is that we
should somehow get Chromium runtime, essentially doing QtWebEngine from Qt
5.4 with nacl support to get this. This would lead to testing the ARC
project from Google (which is unfortunately not fully open source). The
person who is doing this (or at least gives it a shot) goes by the IRC nick
nh1402 (couldn't do a whois while writing this, as he was offline).

So the work going for this has been at least laid the foundation for the
Android runtime to happen on probably both Jolla devices and potentially on
ported devices.

Aleksi

On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 12:44 PM, Bob Summerwill <bob at summerwill.net> wrote:

> Hey everyone!
>
> Dalvik is part of the AOSP (Android Open Source Project), so it is FOSS.
>
> Then at least 3 vendors that I am aware of have taken that and built a
> commercial Android compatibility solution by re-using that code on top of
> another OS.  These are commercial offerings (and proprietary) so somebody
> has to buy and pay for the licenses.   That is what Jolla did for their
> Sailfish handset, but this is not free software, so you won't get it for
> BYOD efforts, and other handset manufacturers would need to do their own
> deals.
>
> I have seen:
>
>
> http://www.myriadgroup.com/products/device-solutions/mobile-software/alien-dalvik/
> (is being used by Jolla)
> http://www.openmobileww.com/ (is being used by Tizen, but also works on
> FirefoxOS, webOS, Windows and Linux)
> http://www.bluestacks.com/ (have their main success on PC, but also made
> a micro console - http://techcrunch.com/2014/03/11/gamepop-review/)
>
> It should be possible for the community to build a FOSS product just like
> this, if there were appetite for it.
>
> Of course, Dalvik is not even shipped with Android anymore.  That JITting
> VM has been replaced with an AOT compilation technology called ART, which
> pre-compiles binaries at install time.   I believe that ART is also part of
> the AOSP project, so it should be possible to build something using that
> too.
>
>
> Cheers,
> Bob
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 4:15 AM, E.S. Rosenberg <
> es.rosenberg+sailfishos.org at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I doubt there is any contract that says other companies can't get a
>> license on dalvik...
>>
>> 2015-06-09 11:06 GMT+03:00 <schifano at polytech.unice.fr>:
>>
>>> Because as somebody told me in the Neo900 support" thread, Jolla has
>>> currently only the licence to distribute Myriad Alien Dalvik with there
>>> smartphones and not for all devices which can run Sailfish.
>>>
>>> > Hi,
>>> >
>>> > I don't see why dalvik would not be available. If the OS runs on the
>>> > device, dalvik should be able to run too.
>>> >
>>> > Alex.
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, Jun 8, 2015 at 3:09 PM, <schifano at polytech.unice.fr> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Well it seems Jolla will not make a new device soon. So in case
>>> somebody
>>> >> has an answer to my previous question, I'm still listening ;).
>>> >>
>>> >> > TOH is only Jolla feature, not 3rd party developers of course. Talk
>>> to
>>> >> > these companies and ask them to implement TOH in their sailfishos
>>> >> devices
>>> >> > :)
>>> >> >
>>> >> > 03.06.2015 23:02, Martin Kolman пишет:
>>> >> >> Wed, 3 Jun 2015 13:46:02 +0200 schifano at polytech.unice.fr:
>>> >> >>> Hi,
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> I have heard there will be new official Sailfish phone
>>> >> manifacturers.
>>> >> >>> On
>>> >> >>> this smartphones will the Android apps be supported ? If yes, does
>>> >> it
>>> >> >>> mean
>>> >> >>> that all the smartphones with Sailfish will have Alien Dalvik
>>> >> >>> available ?
>>> >> >> Also what about the ToH concept ? It would be a shame to loose it
>>> on
>>> >> new
>>> >> >> devices just when the first ToH keyboards start shipping...
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> (BTW, as most current ToHs use 3D printed components it does not
>>> >> >> necessarily
>>> >> >> need to be mechanically compatible, just electrically - and even
>>> that
>>> >> >> is not
>>> >> >> that important. In short - any interface that makes it possible to
>>> >> >> mechanically
>>> >> >> attach something to the back of the device + power & data &
>>> interrupt
>>> >> >> channel
>>> >> >> would do.)
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Best Wishes
>>> >> >> Martin
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> Best Regards,
>>> >> >>> Alexandre Schifano
>>> >> >>>
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