<div dir="ltr">Hi,<div><br></div><div>It is a good feature candidate then in this 'sdk' - we can built in donation via e.g. PayPal and if that happened, no ads will be shown any more...</div><div>Thx for the idea...<br></div><div><br></div><div><div>If you added it as an issue to the BitBucket project you could track the progress it in the future!</div></div><div><br></div><div>Br,</div><div><br></div><div>Zoltan</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2016-05-31 9:24 GMT+02:00 Martin Kolman <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:martin.kolman@gmail.com" target="_blank">martin.kolman@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
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    <div>Tue, 31 May 2016 07:13:33
      +0000 Peter Kovacs:</div><span class="">
    <blockquote type="cite">
      <p dir="ltr">Ads are a classic earn design. As buying an App.<br>
        Some Open Source enthusiasts are oppose these ways. And you find
        them in the Jolla Platform, because jolla is much closer to
        these idealistic views then Apple or Android.</p>
      <p dir="ltr">I personally don't not mind Ads, if I can switch them
        off for a donation/buyoff. But this is only me.</p>
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    Yeah - as long as there is a way to pay the developer not to show
    the adds I would be fine with that (one needs to support the
    developers, especially on Sailfish OS).<br>
    On the other hand I would most probably simply not use an app where
    the ads can't be "paid off".<div><div class="h5"><br>
    <blockquote type="cite">
      <p dir="ltr">Maybe Crowed funding developing method is the only
        way Hardcore OSS people would accept?</p>
      <p dir="ltr">I would personally more focus on guidelines how to
        use ads.</p>
      <p dir="ltr">All the best<br>
        Peter</p>
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        <div dir="ltr">Tone Kastlunger <<a href="mailto:users.giulietta@gmail.com" target="_blank">users.giulietta@gmail.com</a>>
          schrieb am Di., 31. Mai 2016, 08:58:<br>
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          <div dir="ltr">
            <div>
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                    <div>
                      <div>This is an excellent discussion point; I
                        believe this is a very clear aspect of the key
                        problem of SFOS at the moment - the whole point
                        of SFOS is to DIFFERENTIATE itself from android.<br>
                      </div>
                      <br>
                    </div>
                    <div>Note : I love coding for SFOS, it's inspiring
                      and motivating. Sure, it has it's limitations and
                      quirks, but still, its a great experience IMHO.<br>
                      <br>
                    </div>
                    The facts are that, if you ask someone the question:
                    "Would you mind ads in app XX?" they will reply
                    "Hell NO".<br>
                  </div>
                  <div>But nevertheless, if app XX gets published with
                    ads, and the app is good, nobody will care about the
                    ads, and use it anyways.<br>
                  </div>
                  <div><br>
                    So, this can mean that:<br>
                    <br>
                  </div>
                  1) nobody wants ads<br>
                  2) nobody cares if they are there, tho<br>
                  <br>
                </div>
                <div>My experience has been a harsh rejection of ads by
                  the jolla community, with my app where I had included
                  ads.<br>
                </div>
                <div>In the timeframe the app had ads included, I
                  noticed two trends :<br>
                </div>
                <div>a) people who stopped using the app completely due
                  to the adds<br>
                </div>
                <div>b) people who kept on using it (hence rule 2)
                  applies).<br>
                </div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
              </div>
              I'd wonder if codign a SFOS app with ads and publish it as
              an Android app on the jolla store will actually fix
              things?<br>
            </div>
            <div><br>
            </div>
          </div>
          <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
            <div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 8:20 AM, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:zoltan.lutor@gmail.com" target="_blank">zoltan.lutor@gmail.com</a>></span>
              wrote:<br>
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                <div>
                  <div>
                    <p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">Yes,
                      that is how it is. Paid model does not work for
                      masses - maybe iOS is exception to some extent...</p>
                    <p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px"><br>
                    </p>
                    <p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">I
                      fully understand those who are fed up with
                      annoying ads - just like me, too.</p>
                    <p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px"><br>
                    </p>
                    <p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">But
                      it does not imply ads are evil as such. Just they
                      have to be placed carefully and accordingly...</p>
                    <p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px"><br>
                    </p>
                    <p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">Anyway,
                      I just wanted to invite other developers for
                      helping me finishing this 'sdk'...</p>
                    <p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px"><br>
                    </p>
                    <p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">Zoltán</p>
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                    <p>Andrew Penkrat írta ekkor: 2016.05.30. 23:46<br>
                    </p>
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                      <div>
                        <div dir="ltr">I want to add my experience from
                          the developer's point of view. I have an
                          Android app with about 1000 installations (and
                          100 active users). This app has ads as well as
                          an option to disable them for a $2 donation.
                          <div><br>
                            <div>Nobody ever activated this option. So
                              most probably I won't be able to get any
                              revenue from the app without ads.</div>
                          </div>
                        </div>
                        <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                          <div class="gmail_quote">2016-05-30 23:22
                            GMT+03:00 Martin Kolman <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:martin.kolman@gmail.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:martin.kolman@gmail.com" target="_blank">martin.kolman@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br>
                            <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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                                <div>Mon, 30 May 2016 19:32:54
                                  +0000 Alexey Andreyev:</div>
                                <span>
                                  <blockquote type="cite">
                                    <div dir="ltr"><br>
                                      Hello, Zoltán! :)<br>
                                      Feel free to criticize me, but...
                                      ads in our jolla? No, thanks! :)<br>
                                    </div>
                                  </blockquote>
                                </span> I subscribe to this - while I
                                understand developers are looking for
                                revenue streams I really like<br>
                                how current native Sailfish OS apps are
                                pretty much add free (for one reason or
                                another).<br>
                                Just take a look how reckless add usage
                                ruins application usability on Android.<br>
                                I'm fine with donations, paid/premium
                                versions, etc. but please no adds! :)<span><br>
                                  <blockquote type="cite">
                                    <div dir="ltr">I guess if you are a
                                      developer it make sence to ask for
                                      donations / create non-free apps,
                                      but please, no ads at all.<br>
                                      (Espesially with additional web
                                      engine module loaded eating my
                                      resources)<br>
                                      <br>
                                      Again, this is just my opinion. I
                                      understand it opens new
                                      possibilities for some projects,
                                      etc, etc.  </div>
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                                      <div dir="ltr">пн, 30 мая 2016 г.
                                        в 21:48, Zoltán Lutor <<a href="mailto:zoltan.lutor@gmail.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:zoltan.lutor@gmail.com" target="_blank">zoltan.lutor@gmail.com</a>>:<br>
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                                        <div dir="ltr">
                                          <p>I've progressed with
                                            implementing an open source
                                            wrapper for Vserv RESTful
                                            advertisement API in QML.
                                            Quote from API description:</p>
                                          <blockquote>
                                            <p>Vserv provides a simple
                                              HTTP based API to
                                              publishers/developers and
                                              other ad networks, etc. to
                                              fetch ads for mobile sites
                                              or mobile applications.
                                              The mobile device / server
                                              makes a HTTP request to
                                              Vserv Marketplace server
                                              with the required
                                              parameters and in response
                                              receives the ad in JSON
                                              format. This single API
                                              integration gives you the
                                              flexibility to fetch
                                              banner/ full screen / rich
                                              media ads.</p>
                                          </blockquote>
                                          <p>Available implementation is
                                            in pre-beta phase - quite
                                            majority of functionality
                                            works but there is still
                                            room for improvement.</p>
                                          <p>Since I'm not so
                                            experienced in this area of
                                            sw development - and
                                            especially newbie in
                                            Sailfish native development
                                            - <span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,0)"><strong><em>I
                                                  would like to ask some
                                                  help from the
                                                  community in finishing
                                                  it</em></strong>.</span></p>
                                          <p>It would be a general
                                            purpose QML wrapper around
                                            the API with necessary
                                            tailoring is needed for
                                            Sailfish - e.g. Webkit vs.
                                            WebView, etc. Maybe separate
                                            git branches are needed for
                                            different implementation(?)
                                            - I'm open for any
                                            reasonable proposal.</p>
                                          <p>Is there anybody willing to
                                            join? Reviewing, commenting
                                            - and of course, coding is
                                            more than welcome. [<span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,0)">This
                                              is my first open source
                                              project, so comment from
                                              this aspect is welcome,
                                              too</span>.]</p>
                                          <p>API descrption is <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/139TRSTV33tLxKxbew4yPTPF4uc8PZJPiRkxyo9GymIE/edit" target="_blank">here</a>,
                                            code repository is in <a href="https://bitbucket.org/zlutor/qml-wrapper-for-vserv-http-ad-api" target="_blank">BitBucket</a></p>
                                          <p>Br,</p>
                                          <p>Zoltan<br>
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