<div dir="ltr">Hi,<div><br></div><div>It is a good feature candidate then in this 'sdk' - we can built in donation via e.g. PayPal and if that happened, no ads will be shown any more...</div><div>Thx for the idea...<br></div><div><br></div><div><div>If you added it as an issue to the BitBucket project you could track the progress it in the future!</div></div><div><br></div><div>Br,</div><div><br></div><div>Zoltan</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2016-05-31 9:24 GMT+02:00 Martin Kolman <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:martin.kolman@gmail.com" target="_blank">martin.kolman@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div>Tue, 31 May 2016 07:13:33
+0000 Peter Kovacs:</div><span class="">
<blockquote type="cite">
<p dir="ltr">Ads are a classic earn design. As buying an App.<br>
Some Open Source enthusiasts are oppose these ways. And you find
them in the Jolla Platform, because jolla is much closer to
these idealistic views then Apple or Android.</p>
<p dir="ltr">I personally don't not mind Ads, if I can switch them
off for a donation/buyoff. But this is only me.</p>
</blockquote></span>
Yeah - as long as there is a way to pay the developer not to show
the adds I would be fine with that (one needs to support the
developers, especially on Sailfish OS).<br>
On the other hand I would most probably simply not use an app where
the ads can't be "paid off".<div><div class="h5"><br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<p dir="ltr">Maybe Crowed funding developing method is the only
way Hardcore OSS people would accept?</p>
<p dir="ltr">I would personally more focus on guidelines how to
use ads.</p>
<p dir="ltr">All the best<br>
Peter</p>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div dir="ltr">Tone Kastlunger <<a href="mailto:users.giulietta@gmail.com" target="_blank">users.giulietta@gmail.com</a>>
schrieb am Di., 31. Mai 2016, 08:58:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>This is an excellent discussion point; I
believe this is a very clear aspect of the key
problem of SFOS at the moment - the whole point
of SFOS is to DIFFERENTIATE itself from android.<br>
</div>
<br>
</div>
<div>Note : I love coding for SFOS, it's inspiring
and motivating. Sure, it has it's limitations and
quirks, but still, its a great experience IMHO.<br>
<br>
</div>
The facts are that, if you ask someone the question:
"Would you mind ads in app XX?" they will reply
"Hell NO".<br>
</div>
<div>But nevertheless, if app XX gets published with
ads, and the app is good, nobody will care about the
ads, and use it anyways.<br>
</div>
<div><br>
So, this can mean that:<br>
<br>
</div>
1) nobody wants ads<br>
2) nobody cares if they are there, tho<br>
<br>
</div>
<div>My experience has been a harsh rejection of ads by
the jolla community, with my app where I had included
ads.<br>
</div>
<div>In the timeframe the app had ads included, I
noticed two trends :<br>
</div>
<div>a) people who stopped using the app completely due
to the adds<br>
</div>
<div>b) people who kept on using it (hence rule 2)
applies).<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
</div>
I'd wonder if codign a SFOS app with ads and publish it as
an Android app on the jolla store will actually fix
things?<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 8:20 AM, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:zoltan.lutor@gmail.com" target="_blank">zoltan.lutor@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div>
<div>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">Yes,
that is how it is. Paid model does not work for
masses - maybe iOS is exception to some extent...</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px"><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">I
fully understand those who are fed up with
annoying ads - just like me, too.</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px"><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">But
it does not imply ads are evil as such. Just they
have to be placed carefully and accordingly...</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px"><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">Anyway,
I just wanted to invite other developers for
helping me finishing this 'sdk'...</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px"><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">Zoltán</p>
</div>
<br>
<div>
<p>Andrew Penkrat írta ekkor: 2016.05.30. 23:46<br>
</p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div dir="ltr">I want to add my experience from
the developer's point of view. I have an
Android app with about 1000 installations (and
100 active users). This app has ads as well as
an option to disable them for a $2 donation.
<div><br>
<div>Nobody ever activated this option. So
most probably I won't be able to get any
revenue from the app without ads.</div>
</div>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">2016-05-30 23:22
GMT+03:00 Martin Kolman <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:martin.kolman@gmail.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:martin.kolman@gmail.com" target="_blank">martin.kolman@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br>
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<div>Mon, 30 May 2016 19:32:54
+0000 Alexey Andreyev:</div>
<span>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr"><br>
Hello, Zoltán! :)<br>
Feel free to criticize me, but...
ads in our jolla? No, thanks! :)<br>
</div>
</blockquote>
</span> I subscribe to this - while I
understand developers are looking for
revenue streams I really like<br>
how current native Sailfish OS apps are
pretty much add free (for one reason or
another).<br>
Just take a look how reckless add usage
ruins application usability on Android.<br>
I'm fine with donations, paid/premium
versions, etc. but please no adds! :)<span><br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">I guess if you are a
developer it make sence to ask for
donations / create non-free apps,
but please, no ads at all.<br>
(Espesially with additional web
engine module loaded eating my
resources)<br>
<br>
Again, this is just my opinion. I
understand it opens new
possibilities for some projects,
etc, etc. </div>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div dir="ltr">пн, 30 мая 2016 г.
в 21:48, Zoltán Lutor <<a href="mailto:zoltan.lutor@gmail.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:zoltan.lutor@gmail.com" target="_blank">zoltan.lutor@gmail.com</a>>:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">
<p>I've progressed with
implementing an open source
wrapper for Vserv RESTful
advertisement API in QML.
Quote from API description:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>Vserv provides a simple
HTTP based API to
publishers/developers and
other ad networks, etc. to
fetch ads for mobile sites
or mobile applications.
The mobile device / server
makes a HTTP request to
Vserv Marketplace server
with the required
parameters and in response
receives the ad in JSON
format. This single API
integration gives you the
flexibility to fetch
banner/ full screen / rich
media ads.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Available implementation is
in pre-beta phase - quite
majority of functionality
works but there is still
room for improvement.</p>
<p>Since I'm not so
experienced in this area of
sw development - and
especially newbie in
Sailfish native development
- <span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,0)"><strong><em>I
would like to ask some
help from the
community in finishing
it</em></strong>.</span></p>
<p>It would be a general
purpose QML wrapper around
the API with necessary
tailoring is needed for
Sailfish - e.g. Webkit vs.
WebView, etc. Maybe separate
git branches are needed for
different implementation(?)
- I'm open for any
reasonable proposal.</p>
<p>Is there anybody willing to
join? Reviewing, commenting
- and of course, coding is
more than welcome. [<span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,0)">This
is my first open source
project, so comment from
this aspect is welcome,
too</span>.]</p>
<p>API descrption is <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/139TRSTV33tLxKxbew4yPTPF4uc8PZJPiRkxyo9GymIE/edit" target="_blank">here</a>,
code repository is in <a href="https://bitbucket.org/zlutor/qml-wrapper-for-vserv-http-ad-api" target="_blank">BitBucket</a></p>
<p>Br,</p>
<p>Zoltan<br>
</p>
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