<div dir="ltr">Pizza with Pineapple - abomination that tops even Kalakukko!<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, May 24, 2014 at 10:19 PM, Thomas Tanghus <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:thomas@tanghus.net" target="_blank">thomas@tanghus.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="">On Saturday 24 May 2014 21:30 Stefano Mosconi wrote:<br>
> >> PS This thread is for generic guidelines - please keep any specific<br>
> >> issues<br>
> >> out of it.<br>
> ><br>
> > I think grievances about the community or Jolla should be allowed to a<br>
> > certain degree. Non-relevant personal attacks and/or trolling should not<br>
> > be allowed though.<br>
><br>
> Hi,<br>
><br>
> I believe that when there is something wrong (anywhere in the world)<br>
> it's good to point that out and discuss it as much as possible. Only by<br>
> analyzing what went wrong and how it could have gone better we (as human<br>
> beings, community, companies) can improve.<br>
><br>
> Discussing means (to me) trying to understand the facts, the emotions,<br>
> and the assumptions on how it should have been and then find a way<br>
> forward. Discussion implies an exchange of information (so it's not a "I<br>
> talk when you are done talking" but a "I listen while you talk and then<br>
> I will talk back on the same topic (but stay with me please)").<br>
><br>
> Personal attacks or trolling are of course not constructive discussion<br>
> and usually just because personal attacks and trolling are not a<br>
> discussion at all (you need at least 2 to tango).<br>
<br>
</div>Goes without saying.<br>
<div class=""><br>
> > These things won't happen often - if they do there is something wrong that<br>
> > should solved instead. Communication is vital for a community to survive.<br>
><br>
> And when they happen they are halting the whole community for a long<br>
> amount of time and focusing the eyes of the community on that.<br>
<br>
</div>The community gets halted even longer without proper communication, meanwhile<br>
drying out a barely budding ecosystem - did that nature analogy go too far? ;)<br>
<br>
>From the recent event - after reading endless emails, tweets, IRC logs etc. -<br>
I can only deduct, based on what was revealed, that it was personal issues.<br>
Still I don't think Jolla has handled it very well.<br>
Let me give you an example of dealing with such matters. I am aware that you<br>
don't have the resources to be as thorough, but you should - must - have the<br>
resources to be as open (github may have their flaws, but non-disclosure<br>
doesn't seem to be one of them):<br>
<br>
<a href="https://github.com/blog/1826-follow-up-to-the-investigation-results" target="_blank">https://github.com/blog/1826-follow-up-to-the-investigation-results</a><br>
<div class=""><br>
> I refrain from proposing (even without a Jolla hat) how I would<br>
> generally handle trolling. I let you guys figure it out, it's a pretty<br>
> well known problem with well known solutions tested for centuries.<br>
<br>
</div>As I am very new in this community I don't even know if this ml has a<br>
moderator, but obviously there should be one. In general moderation should be<br>
off, and only turned on when really needed.<br>
In such situations it is not an easy and often not appreciated role to have.<br>
It should preferably be a well-trusted and of course non-partisan community<br>
member, but in a community with a commercial backing such a person is even<br>
harder to find.<br>
<div class=""><br>
> As per the tools I think the tools are not so relevant as long as the<br>
> community finds its way to discuss. Personally I don't love forums but<br>
> that is only my preference, as I don't like pizza with pineapple.<br>
<br>
</div>I loathe both of them ;)<br>
<div class="im HOEnZb"><br>
--<br>
Med venlig hilsen / Best Regards<br>
<br>
Thomas Tanghus<br>
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