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<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px"><span style="font-family:'NokiaPureTextLight'"> Hi Dietmar,</span></p>
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<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px"><span style="font-family:'NokiaPureTextLight'">I've started to learn coding with Python/PyQt on N900 just before the N9 and all the QML stuff started. That was a bit hard.</span></p>
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<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px"><span style="font-family:'NokiaPureTextLight'">I started to learn also QML and fell in love - kind of. On one side it's so easy and fast to creat stunning UI's and the other point - it makes sense to split UI ane logic clearly. And if you are doing so, it's easy to publish/port your application on another platform. You just have to rewrite, your UI in QML - and because it's so easy, it takes in the most cases just some hours, or in difficult cases some days.</span></p>
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<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px"><span style="font-family:'NokiaPureTextLight'">But than you offer the best UI experience everywhere, because it's writen especially for the platform (for example Desktop, Tablet, Smartphone)</span></p>
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<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px"><span style="font-family:'NokiaPureTextLight'">It's a bit a hard situation to do the first step, but after all I think it's worth it.</span></p>
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<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px"><span style="font-family:'NokiaPureTextLight'">But yes, it takes time to learn QML and yes it takes time to write a new/modify your application and no, it's not really possible to offer with less to no changes a native look and feel. But I could be wrong, I remember Thomas Perl was working on something like that, to make it easier - don't know the details.</span></p>
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<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px"><span style="font-family:'NokiaPureTextLight'">Cheers, Gabriel.</span></p>
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<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px"><span style="font-family:'NokiaPureTextLight'">Von meinem Nokia N9 gesendet</span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px"><span style="font-family:'NokiaPureTextLight'"> </span></p></div><br><div id="fenix-reply-header"><p>Marcin M. schrieb am 26.01.14 18:34:<br>
</p></div><div id="fenix-quoted-body"><div dir="ltr">Just a thought - maybe using some legacy (i.e. Fremantle) theme could be a fix. But I have no idea whether it can be done and with how much effort.<br></div><div class="gmail_extra">
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--</div>Marcin<br></div>
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2014-01-26 <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:christopher.lamb@thurweb.ch" target="_blank">christopher.lamb@thurweb.ch</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Hi Dietmar<br>
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Zitat von "Dietmar Schwertberger" <<a href="mailto:maillist@schwertberger.de" target="_blank">maillist@schwertberger.de</a>>:<div><br>
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Switching to QML/Qt Quick seems a major effort and especially, it is very un-pythonic to use this mixture of two languages.<br>
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There is only one language here, QML, which is an extension of javascript.<br>
Qt Quick is a set of components used by QML. This component set is further extended by the Sailfish Silica component set.<br>
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I did not find QML itself that hard to learn, and there are lots of examples and tutorials on the interweb.<br>
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The mix of 2 languages comes when need to do some heavy-lifting and have to fall back to C++. Having said that C++ and QML are well integrated.<br>
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Zitat von "Dietmar Schwertberger" <<a href="mailto:maillist@schwertberger.de" target="_blank">maillist@schwertberger.de</a>>:<br>
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...there's quite some effort to stay compatible over<br>
multiple platforms ....<br>
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You have hit the nail on the head. Multiplatform coding is not easy, especially if you want to keep native interaction, and look and feel. We know that Sailfish is quite a bit different from any other platform. Multi-platform is not impossible, but it does involve compromises.<br>
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I have been working for some while to port a Harmattan app to Sailfish. For the most part I have got it working, but not without some obstacles. Off the top of my head (and without going into detail), here is a list of differences I found between these 2 platforms<br>
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1) Qt Version 4.7.4 --> 5.x<br>
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2) QtQuick version 1.0 --> 2.0<br>
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3) Mobility 1.2 --> Qt 5.0 equivalents<br>
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4) Project Template Files C++ main function, Pro file<br>
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5) Project structure<br>
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6) Sailfish look and feel, user interaction<br>
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7) Sailfish Specials: e.g Cover<br>
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8) Missing QML Components / Extra Components,<br>
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9) Component Property differences<br>
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10) Library differences inc. Bugs<br>
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11) Niggly Technical Stuff<br>
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11.1) How a javascript file imports a second javascript file<br>
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11.2) Location of LocalStorage DB<br>
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12) Harbour rules (somethings are technically possible, but not allowed to be harbour compliant)<br>
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13) etc ....<br>
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Grüsse<br>
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Chris<div><div><br>
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