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well. IMEI checkings is bad idea. device id is better.<br>
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Also its good to have "Beta versions" in Harbour, to allow selected
lists of users install beta packages. Similar to WP store feature :)<br>
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And i'm voting for "Gift!" button in self application options, to
allow some user install your application for free and not to be
banned in Harbour.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 08.11.2013 23:02, Martin Kolman
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<div>Well, this all anty-piracy campaign is going too
far! :) Who lives by the sword, dies by the sword. <br>
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1. People who won't have money - won't buy. If they
can't use the apps, they won't use the system. And
choose Android/Jailbroken iOS<br>
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2. It's becoming a little spy-like to send data from
device to the manufacturer's servers! It's not IE to
access internet from your device and vice versa<br>
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I'll point to all the criticism Canonical is currently facing due
to the DASH privacy issues & their botched handling of it
(most recent being the fixubuntu case).<br>
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Also regarding the previously mentioned IMEI checking, just
something to think about in regards of leaking the IMEI:<br>
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href="http://mobile.slashdot.org/story/12/09/08/2126234/whatsapp-is-using-imei-numbers-as-passwords">http://mobile.slashdot.org/story/12/09/08/2126234/whatsapp-is-using-imei-numbers-as-passwords</a><br>
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<div>3. How can we detect if someone installed a free
version from "<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://talk.maemo.org" target="_blank">talk.maemo.org</a>"
instead of buying the same version from Harbor? What about
being given the package by the developer?<br>
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<div>I think that there's no use in write a complicated copy
protection library. The optimal option is to just make
installing (just using CLI would discourage many). If
someone wants to crack, he'll crack anyway or not use the
platform at all.<br>
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<div>And... Losing warranty after dev mode? Please
elaborate.<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">2013/11/8 Andrey Kozhevnikov <span
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As Harmattan havent copy protection at all, developers
started creating own methods for detecting if application
is *really* bought by user. And it was done using osa
binaries. You can always get application source, and if it
osa - application installed from Store (means paid
applicatioin was bought).<br>
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I see following:<br>
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Lightweight library provides methods for developer to
detect if application installed from Harbour (bought
actually) or not. Daemon side of library handles this
calls and send negative results to Harbour servers. This
protection library should provide also some kind of
*sandbox*. Functions, included into sandbox will be
executed in safe threads and will be self-obfuscated and
protected from modifications. Any byte changing *sandbox*
part of application cause showing warning screen when
application starting, application became misbehave or
quiting after some period of time, and sending information
to Harbour servers.<br>
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And developer can choose which strategy application will
use: easy or hard, or make own methods based on easy *is
bought?* checks.
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On 08.11.2013 12:02, Jonni Rainisto wrote:<br>
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That's good, but what I don't get in that case
is... does that<br>
coincidentally mean "enable developer mode" ==
"disable copy protection"?<br>
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It doesn't mean that. It will be lightweight, does
not limit resources and does not care what mode you
are on. People will just have to wait for untill its
ready before more datails will be available. But
feel free to give suggestions what kind of API's you
would prefer to have as a developer in Harbour to
make your life easier.<br>
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re, Jonni<br>
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To: Mohammed Hassan; Sailfish OS Developers<br>
Subject: Re: [SailfishDevel] Jolla Harbour and Jolla
Store<br>
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On 07-Nov-13 15:51, Mohammed Hassan wrote:<br>
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solid;padding-left:1ex"> Not quite :) What I'm
interested in is what *will* be there (or,<br>
rather, what resources will it limit) as opposed
to what is NOT<br>
going to be there (whether not having Aegis
there is good, or bad,<br>
depends on what you will have there instead is
better or worse than<br>
Aegis).<br>
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As Jonni said:<br>
After you enable developer mode, you have _true_
root access to the device<br>
and can freely replace system binaries and do what
ever you want with your<br>
device (you may lose warranty when you enable
developer mode).<br>
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That's good, but what I don't get in that case is...
does that<br>
coincidentally mean "enable developer mode" ==
"disable copy protection"?<br>
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Best regards,<br>
Attila<br>
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