[SailfishDevel] Push Service for Sailfish OS

Tue Feb 9 20:16:15 UTC 2016

Hello

I agree with you, that Jolla is currently not in a good financial
situation. So a Push Service is for sure not a top priority for them.

Maybee we can get a better acceptance as a community project together with
the guys from plasma mobile. Last year they started with great passion to
implement a mobile plattform, based on the kde and plasma project. Sooner
or later they will get a the point, where this plattform has also the need
for a working push service.

I will ask in the plasma mobile forum if there is some interesst...

Bye
Georg

2016-02-08 11:04 GMT+01:00 Thomas B. Rücker <thomas at ruecker.fi>:

> On 02/07/2016 12:45 PM, r0kk3rz wrote:
> > I wouldn't bet on Jolla hosting such a thing, this was raised by a
> > community member some time ago and afaik Jolla didn't show any interest.
>
> To clarify, there was interest, but only as far as observing my research
> into this subject. Given that they constantly had and will have far too
> much on their plate and are severely cash limited, this is not that
> surprising. A working push service probably never was enough of a
> priority, neither in terms of engineer time nor paying someone external
> (e.g. me) to get it to work.
>
>
> > For MQTT tbr made a patched apache paho mqtt client which a number of
> > sailfish os users have been using quite successfully for some time now:
> > https://github.com/dm8tbr/org.eclipse.paho.mqtt.python
>
> That's unfortunately a rather old fork of the python library. As I've
> coincidentally added TLS capability to the test server yesterday, I'll
> be revisiting it soon. Also as I want to look into MQTT over websockets.
>
> There is also a C/C++ library, libmosquitto. I think I also patched that
> with IPHB support at some point, but probably didn't push it to a public
> repository.
>
>
> > This could be rolled into a service without too much trouble really.
>
> Yes, there is a bare bones client service example using it here:
> https://github.com/dm8tbr/irssi-mqtt-sailfish
>
> All it does is forward a two line MQTT message as a Sailfish
> notification. I wrote it as a demonstration and to scratch my itch of
> receiving IRC notifications on my phone. (There is also a irssi script
> counterpart)
>
> A more proper deployment of a MQTT based push service would be the
> direction for any wider use. I did some initial architecture work and
> had started exploratory work on Trusor and Nuntius, respectively the
> server and client side daemons. This work has laid dormant for about a
> year now, as there was no interest from Jolla to invest into it, nor was
> there sufficient community momentum.
>
> Given Jolla's current situation, I very much doubt, that such a service
> would be of any priority to justify internal or external investment. So
> if, then it would need to come out of the community.
>
> Actually not just the Sailfish/Nemo/Mer community, but essentially
> anywhere in the open source community at large, as such a system could
> be universally useful. At that time it would be good to check if there
> is anything comparable meanwhile that could be used instead.
>
>
> > However I think the whisper systems guys need to have their own rather
> > than relying on android/ios integrated features. Whether this is based
> > on MQTT or websockets or some other method of their devising is up to
> > them.
>
> Their choice of using platform notification frameworks sounds sensible.
> The downside is, that alternative platforms won't have such services, at
> least not with user numbers justifying the engineering effort of adding it.
>
>
> > On Sat, Feb 6, 2016 at 6:35 PM, george b <scooterschorschi at gmail.com
> > <mailto:scooterschorschi at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> >     I did some more search on this issue.
> >
> >     With libmosquitto and some client implementation (thank you,
> >     Yuvraaj), the push service may be possbile with the Mer
> >     testplattform.
> >
> >     The problem with this is, that the guys from whisper systems have
> >     to include this push service within there server application. But
> >     I didn't think that they would do this with an experimental server.
> >
> >     So what we really need is to get Jolla or the Mer Project to set
> >     up a reliable push service with an good API...
> >
>
> See above.
>
>
> >
> >     Bye
> >     Georg
> >
> >     2016-02-02 20:00 GMT+01:00 Yuvraaj <yuvraaj at gmail.com
> >     <mailto:yuvraaj at gmail.com>>:
> >
> >         I had ported libmosquitto to Diablo and Maemo so that I could
> >         use it in my app qgvdial.
> >         I've even pulled out the class I used into a separate
> >         repository so that anyone else can use it:
> >         https://github.com/uvatbc/simplify/tree/master/qt/mqclient
> >
> >         Hope this helps.
> >         -UV
> >
> >
> >         On 02/02/2016 06:04 AM, Tone Kastlunger wrote:
> >>         AFAIK, someone had putted together a concept-proof push service.
> >>
> >>         On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 9:14 PM, Erik Lundin
> >>         <erik at lists.lun.nu <mailto:erik at lists.lun.nu>> wrote:
> >>
> >>             Den 2016-02-01 kl. 19:58, skrev george b:
> >>
> >>                 The only missing thing is a working push service to
> >>                 get a real user
> >>                 experience with a messaging application.
> >>
> >>                 Does anyone know something about that? I didn't find
> >>                 any good resources
> >>                 about this topic on the internet.
> >>
> >>
> >>             There exists a question about that at TJC [1]. One idea,
> >>             described at [2], seems to be to use an MQTT based
> >>             service. Not much seems to have happened the last years
> >>             though.
> >>
> >>             I'm not involved in any of this myself but thought I
> >>             could share what I have seen, since I also think it would
> >>             be nice with some push service for SFOS.
> >>
> >>             /Erik
> >>
> >>             [1]
> >>
> https://together.jolla.com/question/9724/push-notifications/
> >>             [2]
> >>
> https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Middleware/PushNotifications
> >>
>
> Cheers
>
> Thomas
>
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