[SailfishDevel] [Minutes] SailfishOS community meeting 26.11 + planning for next one 3.12

Ruediger Schiller chemist at dostortugas.org
Fri Nov 27 09:46:06 UTC 2015


On Fri, Nov 27, 2015 at 07:28:17AM +0000, Peter Kovacs wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I am not able to join on next community meeting due to work restrictions I
> have. So I can not propose a topic. I am instead post my thoughts directly
> to this list.
> I think no 1 topic is to stabilise Dev efforts for SailfishOS.
> I do not believe to simply put sailfish in multiple places will ensure its
> existance. This would only be the case if SailfishOS would open source it's
> Software. This would be the death of Jolla in my eyes at this point.
> 
> I see rather a better strategy in a business model change. Instead of
> trying to sell the OS to big companies sell the OS to your community.

Selling it to bigger companies is the actual way to earn a lot of money.

> I think the crowed funding method was quite successful. So I propose
> another Crowed funding camagne. This has now to be a success. So I propose
> something small. Like getting payment function into Jolla.
> Perks could be to get better conditions after the Shop is live. Maybe 10% -
> 50% off.
> I do not know how much money you need to make add payment functionallities
> and survive the next month)

Won't generate enough revenue in this timeframe.

> 
> Another step could be to have a System suscription. This system
> subscription is made to ensure updates. It should not be much like 5-10
> euros a month. Free of choice if possible, enforce if neccessary. I have no
> feeling how close Jolla is to the death.

You pay 260€ (now it is 200€ I know) to then pay another 120€ to get upgrades?

> I do like the Crowed funding mythology of star citizen. Most of them can
> not be reused. But in art of communication they are top. Maybe open up your
> communication on development, would be great.
> 
> I would also like to see more jolla stuff in the shop. I still want to buy
> the external keyboard or the solar panel for jolla. Bit i still can not
> find those in the Jolla shop. This is also an income Jolla must participate
> in. Sell those stuff even from third party developers in your shop.
> I refuse to buy from the third party directly because I know how much jolla
> needs the money.
> 
> Get the old hardware section of jolla to develop some more second half
> stuff. Like battery banks or 2nd phonecard connector. Maybe a mobility hub
> for pcs. I do not know.

How about another model, sell developer equipment. That could also go for a
kickstarter - PCcovers without NFCchip, plain blank covers for cheap in packs of
10 with a handfull of solderpins that fit the connectors or 10 circuit foil
sheets that can be soldered to your ideas. Still nothing that generates revenue
fast but with a campaign and announcing a Jolla2 with the same TOH dimensions
would give it some drive. Jolla2 announcing in terms of, if we survive we will
do anotherone just like Jolla1 with improved hardware, coming 2017. On the other
hand, doing a complete makeover of that sort is apart of more RAM and bigger
mmc not even required. SFOS is now in a stae where any device vendor could jump
in and generate a lot of revenue. No idea what google paid for their Nexus
phones but I guess the deal zeroed out in the end.

> 
> Sorry that this has nothing to do with development of source code. But I
> think this is not really time for dreaming of open Source.
> 
> I know that you might not like this steps, but I think there is no chance
> in rearranging debts will lead you from the death valley you are in.
> That is only one way to get bankrupted fast.
> You must generate money quickly. That is the only way somebody will
> continue to invest into Jolla. And a credit is also an investment of sort.
> 
> This is an unpleasant message of sort. But jolla should focus on those
> people has already convinced. Apple did that in their beginning. I know
> some and they agree first iPhone were not very good. I think the sailfish
> has potential but currently this potential is limited to the community you
> have. And this are the ones here who prepare their products for sailfish,
> and the ones who already spend money on the product.
> 
> Please take a break from convincing people that can play Jolla against
> android, blackberry and iOS. You can return to that dream if you got out of
> the valley.

Truth is, they need more funds to actually get noticed by people that would
become a part of this community in a heartbeat. Just met a guy last week who
bought an S6edge the other week and bit his hand when I told him what that phone
and tablet on my table are. Looking at Apple, marketing is everything - they
sold sour milk to cows and still do. Always fun seeing my iPhone and Android
friends struggle with their phones.

> 
> I have time from 14th Dec till end of the year. I will participate then in
> the meetings and bug you to various topics around Jolla. I hope this helps.
> 
> All the Best
> Peter
> 
> Carol Chen <cybette+sailfishos at gmail.com> schrieb am Do., 26. Nov. 2015
> 17:17:
> 
> > Hi,
> >
> > Thanks to everyone who attended today's meeting! Minutes/logs:
> >
> > Minutes:http://merproject.org/meetings/mer-meeting/2015/mer-meeting.2015-11-26-14.30.html
> > Minutes (text):http://merproject.org/meetings/mer-meeting/2015/mer-meeting.2015-11-26-14.30.txt
> > Log:http://merproject.org/meetings/mer-meeting/2015/mer-meeting.2015-11-26-14.30.log.html
> >
> > Next meeting will be on 2015-12-03 @ 14:30 UTC. Meeting Chair will be
> > Carsten Munk (Stskeeps). Please propose discussion topics at: https://together.jolla.com/question/54157/sailfishos-open-source-collaboration-meeting-planning/
> >
> > If you propose a topic, it is expected that you show up and present it,
> > or have a substitute participate in the meeting. It is important that
> > you're present at the meeting to guide the discussions in the direction
> > you want, so we do not spend time guessing what kind of info/answers you
> > may be looking for.
> >
> > NOTE: Propose your topic by Tuesday 1.12. Any topics added after that
> > will be considered for the following meeting. Carsten will send out
> > meeting invite with confirmed agenda before the meeting.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >   Carol
> >
> > --
> > Carol Chen
> > cybette @ Freenode IRC
> >
> >
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so long and thanks for all the fish


Rüdiger Schiller
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