[SailfishDevel] How do you evaluate the recent events of jolla

[Peter]

I do not see the benefit of Sailfish without the Jolla Phone. I rather 
buy the Fair Phone next then this Indian vendor thingy.
I am still waiting that Jolla offers something in their shop for the 
other half.
Sounds stupid, but I want to support Jolla. And I buy at a Jolla shop. 
Not somewhere else ...

But now I think the Phone is dead. Sad but true. So maybe I start 
spending my money at the third party store.
Wasted opportunities. Why do Companies always try to make their 
desicions without their buyers they already have.

So in the end. I agree with you Ville Määttä. This seperation Idea is a 
dumb Idea, from my point of view.
Limitation of possibilities. Maybe the Indian Company requested the 
seperation?

All the Best
Peter

Am 16.07.2015 um 20:13 schrieb Ville Määttä:
> I don't see recent news as anything particularly positive. It could be
> the turning point of the company and with it, Sailfish OS.
>
> Splitting a company is rarely done for any other reason than to get rid
> of something you do not want. And Jolla is splitting off devices.
>
> On 11.07.15 14:03, Bob Summerwill wrote:
>> My hope would be that Jolla announce a new Chinese partner who have
>> licensed Sailfish 2.0 to bring it to the Mainland market.  If that has
>> happened then we have something of a breakthrough.
> On 15.07.15 15:15, Bob Summerwill wrote:
>> It's an Indian partner!  Brilliant news.
> Meh.
>
> On a serious note, this really is quite a serious point of thinking for
> Jolla. For a while now Jolla has seemingly been focused on the BRICS
> countries and ignored Europe / North America other than the Tablet campaign.
>
> Jolla has also been trying to prop up a reputation of Sailfish OS as a
> secure OS option.
>
> Reading at today's PR about the partnership it contains business BS that
> I can't really stomach. One acronym, ARPU. And it doesn't have the word
> "security" or "secure" even once. Not once. So I guess in India
> modifying the OS for revenue per user through discriminating service
> partnerships is more important for Jolla. Fuck net neutrality.
>
> Security is not only about the software. Hardware is very important and
> the only way to have a really secure phone or any other device is to
> have a verifiable open stack, both hardware and software. A device
> actually fitting that description doesn't exist in the market place.
>
> Jolla can target the BRICS countries with outsourced Chinese and Indian
> manufacturers but for a secure device those are just DOA. Making the OS
> is just not enough. In the press release there is this comment from Jolla:
>
> "We have now decided to continue the Jolla devices business under a new
> company, focusing on security enhanced devices."
>
> I see essentially two options here.
>
> 1. That company is a serious attempt to control the hardware and
> manufacturing process of those devices. That includes for example
> original open hardware designs and firmware.
>
> 2. The company bundles some of those outsourced Chinese / Indian phones
> with some extra or modified software or makes a similarly half hearted
> attempt at essentially pre-installing Sailfish OS on some other
> company's phone.
>
> In option #2, Jolla might survive with it's BRICS business but in the
> secure phone business, it's dead. Option #1, we'll have to see the
> details. If Jolla wants to keep posturing about a secure phone, it needs
> to live up to the harsh reality of what that actually means.
>
>
>
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