[SailfishDevel] was "Acceptable Behaviour.." --> Forum

Sat May 24 10:56:01 UTC 2014

Ignore my last - I absentmindedly clicked "Send" before writing the content!

My suggestion is that rather than splitting into multiple mailing  
lists, which does not really cure anything, you replace the mailing  
lists with a forum. I agree it would be crazy to have both.

Martin points out that I could simulate the same with rules and  
filters: but that is post-fact, so if somebody starts spamming the  
list from different threads and sock-puppets, then I need to  
continually add new rules / filters. I prefer to spend my free time  
programming Sailfish apps, not rules in my mail client!

While there is talk.maemo.org, that serves a different role: it is an  
independent forum (as opposed to one owned by Jolla); and the Sailfish  
part has not divided into more focused sub-forums yet.

Chris

Zitat von christopher.lamb at thurweb.ch:

> Hi Iekku
>
> Zitat von "Iekku Pylkka" <iekku.pylkka at jolla.com>:
>
>> Ahoy,
>>
>> We have been pondering the idea about forum. Truth to be told, we  
>> are too small company to follow and contribute to that as well. We  
>> are following/contributing to several IRC channels,  
>> together.Jolla.com, this mailing list and I'm bombing our technical  
>> developers with developer-care at jolla.com questions I can't answer  
>> and can't find easily (below 30 minutes). And we have huge amount  
>> of work to do :) Yes, we could have trusted community members as a  
>> moderators in forum, but we would love to contribute and _read_  
>> those posts coming to forum.
>>
>> Br,
>> Iekku Pylkkä
>> ________________________________________
>> From: devel-bounces at lists.sailfishos.org  
>> [devel-bounces at lists.sailfishos.org] on behalf of Martin Kolman  
>> [martin.kolman at gmail.com]
>> Sent: Friday, May 23, 2014 10:39 PM
>> To: devel at lists.sailfishos.org
>> Subject: Re: [SailfishDevel] Acceptable Behaviour Guidelines - you decide
>>
>> 23.5.2014 21:21, christopher.lamb at thurweb.ch:
>>> Hi Jarko
>>>
>>> before we jump to splitting into multiple SF mailing lists, I wonder
>>> has any thought been given to replacing the lists with a developer'
>>> forum?
>>>
>>> I fear that multiple lists would not really help - I would end up
>>> subscribed to all of them (both those that I am very interested in,
>>> and those that I am sometimes interested in), and thus my In-box would
>>> be just as full as it is now.
>>>
>>> A forum would be divided into sub-forums, and being thread oriented
>>> (as opposed to post-oriented) I could freely choose which sub-forums
>>> and which threads I chose to dive into, and which to ignore.
>> Well, roughly the same thing can (and usually is by people subscribing
>> to mailing list) achieved by setting up mail filters and redirecting
>> email to per-mailing-list folders. I can't even think about all those
>> email directly ending in my
>> main inbox...
>>
>> Regarding a forum - well, talk.maemo.org is currently basically filling
>> the role of the main Sailfish forum and this seems to work just fine, so
>> I don't really see the need for yet another forum instance (anybody
>> still remembers forum.meego.com ?).
>>
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>>
>>> Zitat von "Jarko Vihriala" <jarko.vihriala at jolla.com>:
>>>
>>>> We're looking into splitting the discussions on SF mailing lists.
>>>> But, let's not make hasty moves and keep the technological part alive.
>>>>
>>>> thanks, Jarko
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________
>>>> From: devel-bounces at lists.sailfishos.org
>>>> [devel-bounces at lists.sailfishos.org] on behalf of Ville M. Vainio
>>>> [vivainio at gmail.com]
>>>> Sent: Friday, May 23, 2014 9:45 PM
>>>> To: Sailfish OS Developers
>>>> Subject: Re: [SailfishDevel] Acceptable Behaviour Guidelines - you
>>>> decide
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Some of the discussions here have been borderline illegal;
>>>> discouraging such behavior even with absence of 'technical' moderator
>>>> tools (like you have even on barbaric environments like phpbb) is not
>>>> necessarily a bad idea.
>>>>
>>>> On May 22, 2014 5:53 PM,
>>>> <christopher.lamb at thurweb.ch<mailto:christopher.lamb at thurweb.ch>> wrote:
>>>> Seconded. I could not have put it better myself.
>>>>
>>>> Since the early days I have enjoyed the very open nature of this
>>>> forum where pretty much anything goes that is vaguely Jolla / Qt /
>>>> Open Source / technical.
>>>>
>>>> From my recollection the number of threads that struck me as
>>>> "definitely better elsewhere" has been refreshingly small. Many of
>>>> the threads have been helpful or and or insightful.
>>>>
>>>> Keep up the good work
>>>>
>>>> Chris
>>>>
>>>> Zitat von "David Greaves"
>>>> <david.greaves at jolla.com<mailto:david.greaves at jolla.com>>:
>>>>
>>>> There's been enough noise on this mailing list recently that some
>>>> people have
>>>> felt they don't want to participate.
>>>>
>>>> We need to be careful about over-policing discussions but there is
>>>> such a thing
>>>> as under-policing too.
>>>>
>>>> How would we (community, not Jolla) determine the line? and what
>>>> measures do we
>>>> think should be taken?
>>>>
>>>> Lorn pointed to this as a useful document:
>>>>  http://www.kde.org/code-of-conduct/
>>>>
>>>> FWIW I personally don't think there's anything happened recently that
>>>> I would
>>>> actually take action over. My delete key works fine and history shows
>>>> that
>>>> sometimes cries for help come in strange forms.
>>>>
>>>> David/lbt
>>>>
>>>> PS This thread is for generic guidelines - please keep any specific
>>>> issues out
>>>> of it.
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