[SailfishDevel] Discrimination and abuse from Jolla employee Thomas Perl

Thu May 22 13:09:10 UTC 2014

 I followed the IRC channel and they have give theyr option and I hope it should end there 
instead you decided to be silent so you could continue this discussion on a mailinglist !

A mailinglist that was mainly for discussion DEVELOPMENT of sailfish apps and similar. Now it 
has been a place for private discussion and repeating stuff over and over again.

And please do not reply this message on the mailinglist because I will not be available 
answer since I from know on unsubscribe to the forum until this discussions stops!

Regards

Mikael  

On Thursday, May 22, 2014 14:54:41 Filip Kłębczyk wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> So as I've promised I will express my opinions on the meeting and what
> was said there on the mailing list.
> 
> So first of all second meeting point was supposed to be about taking
> steps to solve the conflict proposed in my mail:
> http://wklej.org/id/1369055/
> 
> I've chosen to be silent, because I wanted to hear what others including
> Jolla have to say on that matter and if that proposal is at all
> acceptable for them. Unfortunately discussion turned into something
> different, that seems to me like a witch-hunt made by Jolla employees
> who were dominating the meeting. Below are full logs so everyone can
> have their own opinion on that:
> 
> http://www.merproject.org/meetings/mer-meeting/2014/mer-meeting.2014-05-22-1
> 0.00.log.html
> 
> So first of all I had full right to stay silent at the meeting and they
> should have respected that. Somehow others respect that Thomas Perl is
> silent all the time, but when it comes to others that want to be silent
> for a while they fail that pretty simple test and try to force speaking.
> Double moral standards?
> 
> Now to the points raised by Stefano. During the last days I had a chance
> to exchange lots of mails with Stefano and answer his questions. Sadly
> it seems it was a waste of time as he did not get anything from it right.
> 
> Anyway regarding the points raised by Jolla employees:
> 
> *1*. Stefano Mosconi (Jolla): Let's keep those discussions out of the
> mailing list
> 
> My answer:
> That is truly open approach to remove any uncomfortable topic, that seem
> to important to at least some part of the community. Seems like the
> story with dust under the carpet is still valid.
> 
> *2*. Philippe de Swert (Jolla): As there is no point discussing this if
> the main person involved is not willing to discuss
> 
> My answer:
> Well there was clear proposal sent on the mailing list, but nobody
> wanted to seriosuly discuss or comment it
> 
> *3* Denis Zalevskiy (as a private person): each Jolla employee is a
> private person and talks as a private person unless said he represents
> Jolla, so his intereaction with other people is personal
> 
> My answer:
> Jolla guidelines [1] tell different story. It enough if person is on
> offcial Jolla communication channel (that includes Together) where
> Thomas mentioned about hack event in Vienna, from which he tried later
> to exclude me
> 
> *4* Jarko Vihriala (Jolla), about me being silent: We have other
> responsibilities apart from this meeting as well. I don't think fk_lx 's
> current behavior is at any way acceptable.
> 
> My answer:
> But Thomas Perl silence on this matter is completely acceptable?
> 
> *5* Stefano Mosconi (Jolla) commenting discrimination/abuse problem:
> Event mentioned in this case is organized by Metalab, not Jolla. fk_lx
> claimed that Jolla is discriminating against him. From related chat logs
> and posts, it can be shown that this isn't the case. Conclusion from Jolla:
> *a)* Jolla as a company has nothing to do with it this issue
> 
> My answer:
> Yes, nothing at all, besides tolerating it
> 
> *b)* there is no trace that thp has requested Filip to be excluded he
> just said that if Filip is coming he is not and in saying
> 
> My answer:
> 19:47 < thp> the meetups are in general open to everyone, but fk_lx is
> excluded and specifically NOT invited for very good reasons.
> 
> see logs: http://wklej.org/hash/8ede3d7b136/
> 
> *c)* thp has reasons to avoid Filip and Filip seems to know why and
> acknowledged that in his mail
> 
> My answer:
> I left the mail story for the end of this e-mail. Too bad Stefano you
> haven't understood at all
> 
> *d)* no abuse or discrimination was done by thp, Carsten or any other
> Jolla employee towards Filip
> 
> My answer:
> I tend to disagree, see my first post in the thread:
> 
> *e)* Jolla did not ignore Filip nor his emails at the time
> 
> My answer:
> What about e-mail from December that was ignored for months? What about
> promises to answer by 25th/27th of April and failing that? And from the
> above point we can get another information, that previously me or my
> e-mail were ignored
> 
> *6* Stefano Mosconi (Jolla): Also (iekku gave me permission to share
> this) iekku which is the person behind dev care went on a long sick
> leave at the beginning of the year and this has affected all the answers
> to dev-care
> 
> My answer:
> The mail was sent on 9th December, so before 2014 started. Moreover
> Iekku Pylkkä appologized me that someone's sick leave shouldn't be a
> reason to not have community guidlines for handling such cases. It's
> also worth to ask if someone sick leave is a reason for Jolla Developer
> Care to not answer mails for 5 months (December, January, February,
> March, then answer is promised to be sent till 25th/27th of April, but
> "any" answer, but not regarding the December problem but April one
> arrived on 5th of May). I'm all for publishing all e-mails and responses
> that were between me and Jolla care (also from Iekku e-mail speaking as
> Jolla Dev Care), so we will have proper chronology and content of messages.
> 
> *8* Stefano Mosconi (Jolla): I have approached the case _very_ seriously
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