[SailfishDevel] A kickoff meeting about SailfishOS, open source, collaboration, way forward @ 15 April, 15:00 UTC

[Filip Kłębczyk]

W dniu 06.04.2014 23:11, Robin Burchell pisze:
>
> On 05 Apr 2014, at 10:21, Thomas B. Rücker <thomas at ruecker.fi
> <mailto:thomas at ruecker.fi>> wrote:
>> Reading this I can't help but wonder if Jolla now claims ownership of
>> Mer/Nemo then. Even with fancy hat changing. Bringing this discussion up
>> in a strictly Sailfish context implies this.
>
> I think you’ve read a little much into things, but I’d like to point out
> the obvious here:
>
> Jolla are doing the majority of the work in these two projects. So
> purely in terms of governance and technical knowledge, they are in a
> position of quite a bit of power. Now, that having been said, the work
> on these projects has always (without exception) been done in the public
> realm, with the aim of collaborating with others,

Maybe the aim was collaborating with the outside world, but practical 
implementation of that aim was far away from how it should look like and 
what community expected.

> to some degrees of
> success. We’ve seen people make tools/hacks/fixes around that stuff, and
> that’s great. It might be improvable, but it’s a positive thing already.

I would say many of those hacks were despite all odds and Jolla not 
helping or even setting up ridiculous obstacles, where things could have 
been done the easy way, but not instead "dirty" hacks were the only 
possibility.
A bit of an example of general attitude from a bit different area is if 
you want Sailfish OS source code you need to ask for a CD/DVD whereas it 
could also have been put online, which would save time and money for 
both sides. Well in the end tbr uploaded it, but frankly speaking it 
shouldn't be his job to make things easier, but in Jolla own interest.
I see it as kind of attitude - if we don't know what to do in a company, 
let's use old Nokia ways of solving problems (even if they are nowadays 
something awkward or some corpo-ridiculousness that doesn't fit into 
something you would expect from a startup).

Community can forgive a lot - annoying bugs, simcard holder problems, 
sudden reboots and other stuff which can happen to every company 
releasing a new product, but on condition that such company really cares 
about community and makes things easier for collaboration, not harder.
That should especially be taken into account that some of the community 
memebers, were actively spreading word about Jolla and how this company 
is very open and unlike. I don't want to look at some of my friends eyes 
who bought Jolla after my recommendation and say "Well it's not that 
open in terms of collaboration as they promised, sorry it seems we've 
been misleaded".

> I guess what I’m trying to say is that, from a strictly open source
> point of view, the ones doing the work dictate the direction - one could
> even say this implies ownership, yes. But on the other hand, while I
> can’t speak for the entire company, I (and the folks I know and work
> with on a daily basis) have collaboration and cooperation at heart, even
> if execution could be improved on - which is what provided the impetus
> for this thread.

I think many people want good like you said, but on the other side 
community clashes with such employees comments (when asking for issues 
list/bugs/roadmap of Nemo MW):
"We don't want the community to work on the bugs and take our jobs!".
It shows the problem "community helping == taking our jobs" existing in 
some heads. And yes I can even look for who said sth like that on IRC in 
one of the Jolla related public channels if you don't believe such 
statements were said by your colleagues.

Regards,
Filip