[SailfishDevel] Jolla Harbour and Jolla Store
Benoît HERVIER
khertan at khertan.net
Wed Nov 6 18:01:05 UTC 2013
Nope, i was just joking :)
Le 2013-11-06 18:51, Andrey Kozhevnikov a écrit :
> lol, really? you think developing own libraries sucks? arent you
> developed something really BIG?
>
> On 06.11.2013 23:47, khertan at khertan.net wrote:
>> An analogy with boat about apps including his own libs :
>>
>> https://mobile.twitter.com/usmanm/status/388407160159211520/photo/1?screen_name=usmanm#!/usmanm/status/388407160159211520/photo/1?screen_name=usmanm
>>
>> :p
>>
>> --
>> Benoît HERVIER - http://khertan.netLe 06/11/13 18:33 Marcin M. a
>> écrit :
>> And somehow Debian and Ubuntu and ... do well it with real depends...
>>
>>
>>
>> --Marcin
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 2013/11/6 Marcin M. <marmistrzmar at gmail.com>
>>
>> If everything handled correctly (assuming no 3rd party lib updates)
>> what bad can happen?
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Marcin
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 2013/11/6 Martin Grimme <martin.grimme at gmail.com>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> 2013/11/6, 郭云鹤 <guoyunhebrave at gmail.com>:
>>
>>> i think every app should be independent. apps' dependence caused
>>> many
>>> problems.
>>
>> I think the same. While having deps and libraries and everything is
>> cool from a Linuxer's point of view, it will give a bad user
>> experience and just cry for breaking things when updating the OS or
>> other apps.
>>
>> You can either try to get the library into Nemo, or include it in
>> your
>> package or link to it statically. Those few kbytes wasted by this
>> approach should be no real problem, but worth it, if it improves the
>> user's experience and happiness with Sailfish devices.
>>
>> I remember people crying they could not update their N900 because of
>> some library dependencies. Don't let this happen again.
>> 1337 Linux h4x0rz in need of obscure libs and stuff will always find
>> a
>> workaround to fulfill their needs, e.g. with 3rd party repositories.
>> :)
>>
>> Keep in mind that Sailfish wants to be attractive to regular users
>> and
>> user experience should be highly valued.
>>
>>
>> My 2 cents,
>> Martin
>>
>>
>>
>>> 郭云鹤(Guo Yunhe)
>>> http://guoyunhe.me/
>>> 在 2013-11-7 上午12:13,"Marcin M." <marmistrzmar at gmail.com>写道:
>>>
>>>> It's not a pity when it comes to libraries. It is when you create a
>>>> modular app ;) - divided into packages. But if there was an
>>>> in-app-purchase
>>>> system, it wouldn't be so bad :)
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Marcin
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2013/11/6 Mohammed Hassan <mohammed.hassan at jollamobile.com>
>>>>
>>>>> I don't see it as a pity. I see it as an opportunity for everyone
>>>>> to push their libraries and stuff to mer/nemo/sailfish.
>>>>>
>>>>> An advantage of SailfishOS is that everyone can contribute and
>>>>> have
>>>>> their
>>>>> own applications, libraries and tools there.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just my 0.02
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Nov 06, 2013 at 05:06:58PM +0100, Marcin M. wrote:
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> Thanks! Well, it's a pity ;(
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Marcin
>>>>>> 2013/11/6 Jonni Rainisto <[1]jonni.rainisto at jolla.com>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> AFAIK. Currently you can only depend on mer/nemomobile
>>>>>> packages, you
>>>>>> cannot depend on store packages.
>>>>>> re, Jonni
>>>>>>
>>>>>> __________________________________________________________________
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: [2]devel-bounces at lists.sailfishos.org
>>>>>> [[3]devel-bounces at lists.sailfishos.org] on behalf of Marcin M.
>>>>>> [[4]marmistrzmar at gmail.com]
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2013 5:34 PM
>>>>>> To: Sailfish OS Developers
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [SailfishDevel] Jolla Harbour and Jolla Store
>>>>>> And what about in-app-store depends? (Free app, paid databases,
>>>>>> databases depend on the free app)
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Marcin
>>>>>> 2013/11/6 Andrey Kozhevnikov <[5]coderusinbox at gmail.com>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Good point, thanks!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 06.11.2013 18:30, Jonni Rainisto wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And if some good library is missing, and you are willing to
>>>>>> maintain
>>>>>> the library, feel free trying to get it added to Mer/Nemomobile
>>>>>> side
>>>>>> (after that you can depend against it).
>>>>>> re, Jonni
>>>>>> ________________________________________
>>>>>> From: [6]devel-bounces at lists.sailfishos.org
>>>>>> [[7]devel-bounces at lists.sailfishos.org] on behalf of Jonni
>>>>>> Rainisto
>>>>>> [[8]jonni.rainisto at jolla.com]
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2013 2:27 PM
>>>>>> To: Sailfish OS Developers
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [SailfishDevel] Jolla Harbour and Jolla Store
>>>>>> HI,
>>>>>> AFAIK, uploading libraries to store is forbidden, you can only
>>>>>> depend on common mer/nemomobile libraries in .spec/rpm Requires
>>>>>> field.
>>>>>> re, Jonni
>>>>>> ________________________________________
>>>>>> From: [9]devel-bounces at lists.sailfishos.org
>>>>>> [[10]devel-bounces at lists.sailfishos.org] on behalf of Andrey
>>>>>> Kozhevnikov [[11]coderusinbox at gmail.com]
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2013 1:40 PM
>>>>>> To: [12]devel at lists.sailfishos.org
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [SailfishDevel] Jolla Harbour and Jolla Store
>>>>>> Please more information about Harbour:
>>>>>> - it can accept only single files, means i cant upload some
>>>>>> libraries,
>>>>>> required as depends for my appliction?
>>>>>> - does it acts as repository?
>>>>>> On 06.11.2013 17:06, Karl Granström wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ahoy all,
>>>>>> Today we're launching Jolla Harbour <[13]harbour.jolla.com>,
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> portal for submitting applications to the Jolla Store.
>>>>>> You can submit and manage your applications. Consumers will be
>>>>>> able
>>>>>> to install them directly from their Jolla phones.
>>>>>> Here are some details about Jolla Harbour:
>>>>>> Joining and logging into Jolla Harbour:
>>>>>> Joining is free! You can create a Jolla account from the Jolla
>>>>>> Harbour landing page ([14]harbour.jolla.com) or if you have
>>>>>> pre-ordered your Jolla phone, you have everything you need to
>>>>>> get
>>>>>> started. To manage your account details, please visit
>>>>>> [15]account.jolla.com.
>>>>>> Support for Sailfish and Android™ applications:
>>>>>> You can submit both Sailfish and Android™ applications to Jolla
>>>>>> Harbour. The submission process is the same.
>>>>>> Start with free applications:
>>>>>> At launch, the Jolla Harbour and Jolla Store will support only
>>>>>> free
>>>>>> applications. We are working hard to enable payment solutions
>>>>>> and we
>>>>>> will keep you posted about these capabilities as they develop.
>>>>>> Binary package naming:
>>>>>> You will receive naming guidelines when you upload the binary
>>>>>> package to Jolla Harbour. You can also find guidelines on
>>>>>> versioning
>>>>>> at [16]http://semver.org.
>>>>>> Preparing your metadata:
>>>>>> Jolla Harbour needs to know a few things about your app:
>>>>>> - An app icon for the Store (86x86px, png) (Current SDK
>>>>>> supports
>>>>>> 90x90px images; more details to follow soon)
>>>>>> - 1-3 screenshots (540x960px, png or jpg)
>>>>>> - An optional Cover image for your Store page (516x252px, png
>>>>>> or
>>>>>> jpg)
>>>>>> Submission process:
>>>>>> To submit your application to Jolla Harbour, fill in the
>>>>>> metadata
>>>>>> for it and upload the binary and required images. After you
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> submitted your app, Jolla will start Quality Assurance testing.
>>>>>> Quality Assurance testing:
>>>>>> Jolla will perform QA testing on your applications on real
>>>>>> Jolla
>>>>>> devices. We will get back to you with feedback on your app
>>>>>> within a
>>>>>> few days. You will be notified on the QA results via the email
>>>>>> address you have registered to your Jolla account.
>>>>>> If you encounter any issues, please contact us by email,
>>>>>> [17]developer-care at jolla.com, or report them to the Sailfish
>>>>>> developers mailing list at devel at [18]lists.sailfishos.org.
>>>>>> Happy hacking!
>>>>>> The Jolla Store Team
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>>>>>> References
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. mailto:jonni.rainisto at jolla.com
>>>>>> 2. mailto:devel-bounces at lists.sailfishos.org
>>>>>> 3. mailto:devel-bounces at lists.sailfishos.org
>>>>>> 4. mailto:marmistrzmar at gmail.com
>>>>>> 5. mailto:coderusinbox at gmail.com
>>>>>> 6. mailto:devel-bounces at lists.sailfishos.org
>>>>>> 7. mailto:devel-bounces at lists.sailfishos.org
>>>>>> 8. mailto:jonni.rainisto at jolla.com
>>>>>> 9. mailto:devel-bounces at lists.sailfishos.org
>>>>>> 10. mailto:devel-bounces at lists.sailfishos.org
>>>>>> 11. mailto:coderusinbox at gmail.com
>>>>>> 12. mailto:devel at lists.sailfishos.org
>>>>>> 13. http://harbour.jolla.com/
>>>>>> 14. http://harbour.jolla.com/
>>>>>> 15. http://account.jolla.com/
>>>>>> 16. http://semver.org/
>>>>>> 17. mailto:developer-care at jolla.com
>>>>>> 18. http://lists.sailfishos.org/
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