[SailfishDevel] Jolla Harbour and Jolla Store
Andrey Kozhevnikov
coderusinbox at gmail.com
Wed Nov 6 17:51:10 UTC 2013
lol, really? you think developing own libraries sucks? arent you
developed something really BIG?
On 06.11.2013 23:47, khertan at khertan.net wrote:
> An analogy with boat about apps including his own libs :
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> https://mobile.twitter.com/usmanm/status/388407160159211520/photo/1?screen_name=usmanm#!/usmanm/status/388407160159211520/photo/1?screen_name=usmanm
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> :p
>
> --
> Benoît HERVIER - http://khertan.netLe 06/11/13 18:33 Marcin M. a écrit :
> And somehow Debian and Ubuntu and ... do well it with real depends...
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> --Marcin
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> 2013/11/6 Marcin M. <marmistrzmar at gmail.com>
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> If everything handled correctly (assuming no 3rd party lib updates) what bad can happen?
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> -- Marcin
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> 2013/11/6 Martin Grimme <martin.grimme at gmail.com>
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> Hi,
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> 2013/11/6, 郭云鹤 <guoyunhebrave at gmail.com>:
>
>> i think every app should be independent. apps' dependence caused many
>> problems.
>
> I think the same. While having deps and libraries and everything is
> cool from a Linuxer's point of view, it will give a bad user
> experience and just cry for breaking things when updating the OS or
> other apps.
>
> You can either try to get the library into Nemo, or include it in your
> package or link to it statically. Those few kbytes wasted by this
> approach should be no real problem, but worth it, if it improves the
> user's experience and happiness with Sailfish devices.
>
> I remember people crying they could not update their N900 because of
> some library dependencies. Don't let this happen again.
> 1337 Linux h4x0rz in need of obscure libs and stuff will always find a
> workaround to fulfill their needs, e.g. with 3rd party repositories.
> :)
>
> Keep in mind that Sailfish wants to be attractive to regular users and
> user experience should be highly valued.
>
>
> My 2 cents,
> Martin
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>> 郭云鹤(Guo Yunhe)
>> http://guoyunhe.me/
>> 在 2013-11-7 上午12:13，"Marcin M." <marmistrzmar at gmail.com>写道：
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>>> It's not a pity when it comes to libraries. It is when you create a
>>> modular app ;) - divided into packages. But if there was an
>>> in-app-purchase
>>> system, it wouldn't be so bad :)
>>>
>>> --
>>> Marcin
>>>
>>>
>>> 2013/11/6 Mohammed Hassan <mohammed.hassan at jollamobile.com>
>>>
>>>> I don't see it as a pity. I see it as an opportunity for everyone
>>>> to push their libraries and stuff to mer/nemo/sailfish.
>>>>
>>>> An advantage of SailfishOS is that everyone can contribute and have
>>>> their
>>>> own applications, libraries and tools there.
>>>>
>>>> Just my 0.02
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Nov 06, 2013 at 05:06:58PM +0100, Marcin M. wrote:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> Thanks! Well, it's a pity ;(
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Marcin
>>>>> 2013/11/6 Jonni Rainisto <[1]jonni.rainisto at jolla.com>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> AFAIK. Currently you can only depend on mer/nemomobile packages, you
>>>>> cannot depend on store packages.
>>>>> re, Jonni
>>>>> __________________________________________________________________
>>>>>
>>>>> From: [2]devel-bounces at lists.sailfishos.org
>>>>> [[3]devel-bounces at lists.sailfishos.org] on behalf of Marcin M.
>>>>> [[4]marmistrzmar at gmail.com]
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2013 5:34 PM
>>>>> To: Sailfish OS Developers
>>>>> Subject: Re: [SailfishDevel] Jolla Harbour and Jolla Store
>>>>> And what about in-app-store depends? (Free app, paid databases,
>>>>> databases depend on the free app)
>>>>> --
>>>>> Marcin
>>>>> 2013/11/6 Andrey Kozhevnikov <[5]coderusinbox at gmail.com>
>>>>>
>>>>> Good point, thanks!
>>>>>
>>>>> On 06.11.2013 18:30, Jonni Rainisto wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> And if some good library is missing, and you are willing to maintain
>>>>> the library, feel free trying to get it added to Mer/Nemomobile side
>>>>> (after that you can depend against it).
>>>>> re, Jonni
>>>>> ________________________________________
>>>>> From: [6]devel-bounces at lists.sailfishos.org
>>>>> [[7]devel-bounces at lists.sailfishos.org] on behalf of Jonni Rainisto
>>>>> [[8]jonni.rainisto at jolla.com]
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2013 2:27 PM
>>>>> To: Sailfish OS Developers
>>>>> Subject: Re: [SailfishDevel] Jolla Harbour and Jolla Store
>>>>> HI,
>>>>> AFAIK, uploading libraries to store is forbidden, you can only
>>>>> depend on common mer/nemomobile libraries in .spec/rpm Requires
>>>>> field.
>>>>> re, Jonni
>>>>> ________________________________________
>>>>> From: [9]devel-bounces at lists.sailfishos.org
>>>>> [[10]devel-bounces at lists.sailfishos.org] on behalf of Andrey
>>>>> Kozhevnikov [[11]coderusinbox at gmail.com]
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2013 1:40 PM
>>>>> To: [12]devel at lists.sailfishos.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [SailfishDevel] Jolla Harbour and Jolla Store
>>>>> Please more information about Harbour:
>>>>> - it can accept only single files, means i cant upload some
>>>>> libraries,
>>>>> required as depends for my appliction?
>>>>> - does it acts as repository?
>>>>> On 06.11.2013 17:06, Karl Granström wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Ahoy all,
>>>>> Today we're launching Jolla Harbour <[13]harbour.jolla.com>, the
>>>>> portal for submitting applications to the Jolla Store.
>>>>> You can submit and manage your applications. Consumers will be able
>>>>> to install them directly from their Jolla phones.
>>>>> Here are some details about Jolla Harbour:
>>>>> Joining and logging into Jolla Harbour:
>>>>> Joining is free! You can create a Jolla account from the Jolla
>>>>> Harbour landing page ([14]harbour.jolla.com) or if you have
>>>>> pre-ordered your Jolla phone, you have everything you need to get
>>>>> started. To manage your account details, please visit
>>>>> [15]account.jolla.com.
>>>>> Support for Sailfish and Android™ applications:
>>>>> You can submit both Sailfish and Android™ applications to Jolla
>>>>> Harbour. The submission process is the same.
>>>>> Start with free applications:
>>>>> At launch, the Jolla Harbour and Jolla Store will support only free
>>>>> applications. We are working hard to enable payment solutions and we
>>>>> will keep you posted about these capabilities as they develop.
>>>>> Binary package naming:
>>>>> You will receive naming guidelines when you upload the binary
>>>>> package to Jolla Harbour. You can also find guidelines on versioning
>>>>> at [16]http://semver.org.
>>>>> Preparing your metadata:
>>>>> Jolla Harbour needs to know a few things about your app:
>>>>> - An app icon for the Store (86x86px, png) (Current SDK supports
>>>>> 90x90px images; more details to follow soon)
>>>>> - 1-3 screenshots (540x960px, png or jpg)
>>>>> - An optional Cover image for your Store page (516x252px, png or
>>>>> jpg)
>>>>> Submission process:
>>>>> To submit your application to Jolla Harbour, fill in the metadata
>>>>> for it and upload the binary and required images. After you have
>>>>> submitted your app, Jolla will start Quality Assurance testing.
>>>>> Quality Assurance testing:
>>>>> Jolla will perform QA testing on your applications on real Jolla
>>>>> devices. We will get back to you with feedback on your app within a
>>>>> few days. You will be notified on the QA results via the email
>>>>> address you have registered to your Jolla account.
>>>>> If you encounter any issues, please contact us by email,
>>>>> [17]developer-care at jolla.com, or report them to the Sailfish
>>>>> developers mailing list at devel at [18]lists.sailfishos.org.
>>>>> Happy hacking!
>>>>> The Jolla Store Team
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>>>>> References
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. mailto:jonni.rainisto at jolla.com
>>>>> 2. mailto:devel-bounces at lists.sailfishos.org
>>>>> 3. mailto:devel-bounces at lists.sailfishos.org
>>>>> 4. mailto:marmistrzmar at gmail.com
>>>>> 5. mailto:coderusinbox at gmail.com
>>>>> 6. mailto:devel-bounces at lists.sailfishos.org
>>>>> 7. mailto:devel-bounces at lists.sailfishos.org
>>>>> 8. mailto:jonni.rainisto at jolla.com
>>>>> 9. mailto:devel-bounces at lists.sailfishos.org
>>>>> 10. mailto:devel-bounces at lists.sailfishos.org
>>>>> 11. mailto:coderusinbox at gmail.com
>>>>> 12. mailto:devel at lists.sailfishos.org
>>>>> 13. http://harbour.jolla.com/
>>>>> 14. http://harbour.jolla.com/
>>>>> 15. http://account.jolla.com/
>>>>> 16. http://semver.org/
>>>>> 17. mailto:developer-care at jolla.com
>>>>> 18. http://lists.sailfishos.org/
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